User Tag List

First 12345 Last

Results 21 to 30 of 70

  1. #21
    Senior Member Viridian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    MBTI
    IsFJ
    Posts
    3,088

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I think the only way it can be viewed as unfair is if it is assumed that white privilege doesn't exist.
    I think there's a distinction here between "fairness" and "countering a social ill"...

  2. #22
    Certified Sausage Smoker Elfboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Socionics
    SLI None
    Posts
    9,635

    Default

    I haven't read through the thread, but no. if they're going to do a system like that, it should be based off of the income of the said person's parents/guardians. for instance, a white guy with the same credentials as a black guy would get priority if the black guy grew up in suburban Orange County while the white guy grew up in the Detroit ghetto and was a self made man. that being said, I would be opposed to this system too, but it would be much better than the one we have now, especially given how outdated it is. the income gap between Caucasians and minorities is closing at an incredibly fast rate
    ENFP: We put the Fi in Fire
    ENFP
    5w4>1w9>2w1 Sx/Sp
    SEE-Fi
    Papa Bear
    Motivation: Dark Worker
    Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
    Chibi Seme
    MTG Color: black/red
    Male Archtype: King/Lover
    Sunburst!
    "You are a gay version of Gambit" Speed Gavroche
    "I wish that I could be affected by any hate, but I can't, cuz I just get affected by the bank" Chamillionaire

  3. #23
    Senior Member Santosha's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    MBTI
    HUMR
    Enneagram
    6 sx
    Socionics
    iNfp Ni
    Posts
    1,521

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
    At what point, if ever, can we determine when it's now longer necessary?
    Census Bureau says the non-hispanic white population will be the minority by 2042. More than half the US children will be from minority ethnic groups by 2023. THere are currently 6 states where non-hispanic white IS the minority, and all 6 states still advocate affirmative action.

    Affirmative action propogates racism, and racism will never be undone with more racism.
    Man suffers only because he takes seriously what the gods made for fun - Watts

  4. #24
    Certified Sausage Smoker Elfboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Socionics
    SLI None
    Posts
    9,635

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley3112 View Post
    Census Bureau says the non-hispanic white population will be the minority by 2042. More than half the US children will be from minority ethnic groups by 2023. THere are currently 6 states where non-hispanic white IS the minority, and all 6 states still advocate affirmative action.

    Affirmative action propogates racism, and racism will never be undone with more racism.
    exactly, why can't people just understand that they are separate from their ancestors? by this I mean, why do people have to associate race with people at all? scientifically, there are no races in the first places. really it's almost disgusting. a single community of chimpanzees has more genetic diversity than the entire human race! why do people feel like "you owe me something because my ancestors were discriminated against by yours" or "I feel guilty because my ancestors discriminated against yours". that kind of thinking is so tribal and collectivistic. you are your own person, not your race!
    Edit: sorry, Fi rant
    ENFP: We put the Fi in Fire
    ENFP
    5w4>1w9>2w1 Sx/Sp
    SEE-Fi
    Papa Bear
    Motivation: Dark Worker
    Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
    Chibi Seme
    MTG Color: black/red
    Male Archtype: King/Lover
    Sunburst!
    "You are a gay version of Gambit" Speed Gavroche
    "I wish that I could be affected by any hate, but I can't, cuz I just get affected by the bank" Chamillionaire

  5. #25
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    6w7 sp/so
    Socionics
    IEI
    Posts
    2,841

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    From my (limited) understanding of the issue, I agree with this. It seems to be mostly a temporary solution to a persistent social malady.
    Indeed. If affirmitive actions wasn't needed, than I'd say that the entire system is an awful joke that deserves to be trashed, but I know damn well that if businesses have the freedom to select candidates then they will consider race a factor (like when job applications if one is 'hipsanic/latino' and 'what race you are'; why do they need to know this aside from the fact of using that information to theri own selfish advantage?), for they will want more people of a certain race depending on the location of the establishment. Therefore affirmative actions works as a safegaurd to ensure against business racism, although I'd personally prefer a new solution that entitles fairness for potential employees but doesn't have all the bad effects (and reputation) that affirmative action has.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley3112 View Post
    Why is this in 'spirituality' instead of 'politics' ?

    OMFG! Do minorities get into heaven faster too?
    True that man!

  6. #26
    Honor Thy Inferior Such Irony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    MBTI
    INtp
    Enneagram
    5w6 sp/so
    Socionics
    LII Ne
    Posts
    5,091

    Default

    I would hate it if I knew that the main reason why I got a job was due to being a woman. I want to be hired due to my capabilities, not to fill some quota.
    INtp
    5w6 or 9w1 sp/so/sx, I think
    Ravenclaw/Hufflepuff
    Neutral Good
    LII-Ne




  7. #27
    Blah Orangey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    MBTI
    ESTP
    Enneagram
    6w5
    Socionics
    SLE
    Posts
    6,364

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
    In essence, it's zero-sum in nature because it attempts to advance one race at the direct expense of another.
    That's assuming that without AA no "race" is advancing at the expense of the other. That under normal circumstances, when no one is being given special privileges like AA, everyone has equal opportunity regardless of race. Personally, I think that's incredibly naive, but my original point still stands. What you've said here is a direct denial that white privilege exists, which is why I said that the only way AA could be viewed as unfair is if you don't think white privilege exists. Which you obviously don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    I think there's a distinction here between "fairness" and "countering a social ill"...
    Only if you view "countering a social ill" as unfair to begin with, so this is a bit of a circular statement.
    Artes, Scientia, Veritasiness

  8. #28
    Senior Member LEGERdeMAIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    2,545

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    That's assuming that without AA no "race" is advancing at the expense of the other. That under normal circumstances, when no one is being given special privileges like AA, everyone has equal opportunity regardless of race. Personally, I think that's incredibly naive, but my original point still stands. What you've said here is a direct denial that white privilege exists, which is why I said that the only way AA could be viewed as unfair is if you don't think white privilege exists. Which you obviously don't.



    Only if you view "countering a social ill" as unfair to begin with, so this is a bit of a circular statement.
    White privilege doesn't exist...
    “Some people will tell you that slow is good – but I’m here to tell you that fast is better. I’ve always believed this, in spite of the trouble it’s caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba…”


  9. #29
    Senior Member Agent Jelly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    MBTI
    ESTP
    Enneagram
    8w7
    Posts
    344

    Default

    I don't think its fair. I think someone should be hired for their credentials and character. Not their skin color!!!

  10. #30
    Reason vs Being ragashree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    MBTI
    Mine
    Enneagram
    1w9
    Posts
    1,770

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I think the only way it can be viewed as unfair is if it is assumed that white privilege doesn't exist.
    Are you trying to get kudos for stating the obvious here...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Only if you view "countering a social ill" as unfair to begin with, so this is a bit of a circular statement.
    Or just indulging yourself by falling back on the very fallacy you're objecting to others using?

    Yes, I saw what you did there.
    Look into my avatar. Look deep into my avatar...

Similar Threads

  1. [INTJ] what is it with INTJ's a germanic sounding names/military avatars?
    By Il Morto Qui Parla in forum The NT Rationale (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ)
    Replies: 56
    Last Post: 04-23-2014, 05:10 AM
  2. [NT] xNTP's: When is it time to stop analyzing and actually take action?
    By The Great One in forum The NT Rationale (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ)
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 09-08-2013, 01:40 AM
  3. is it possible to be a peaceful muslim?
    By Il Morto Qui Parla in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 58
    Last Post: 04-23-2010, 09:11 PM
  4. When is it type?
    By proteanmix in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 07-25-2007, 01:55 PM
  5. Replies: 10
    Last Post: 07-24-2007, 07:35 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO