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Degrees of Feminism

rav3n

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Helios, we can play this game of twister until one of us dies. Quite frankly, I'm now bored so you're left holding...something, by yourself. We both know you've chosen a pinpoint in left field for your definition of Feminism in order to reject it. It really is as simple as that.
 

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Helios, we can play this game of twister until one of us dies. Quite frankly, I'm now bored so you're left holding...something, by yourself. We both know you've chosen a pinpoint in left field for your definition of Feminism in order to reject it. It really is as simple as that.

Cool: please consult my final comments to "Orangey" earlier in this thread, mutatis mutandis.
 

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English is my first language. A few of the expressions you used made me wonder whether you were a fluent, but non-native, English speaker.

English is not that person's first language. It should be glaringly obvious.
 

rav3n

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English is not that person's first language. It should be glaringly obvious.
Ah yes, more insults from Jaguar. Disappointingly expected and beyond pathetic considering the obsessively creepy nature of it all.
 

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Ah yes, more insults from Jaguar. Disappointingly expected and beyond pathetic considering the obsessively creepy nature of it all.

It is glaringly obvious, and it's true:

English is my second language, although it's become my first since I've forgotten most of my first. I also speak a third language but have forgotten most of that too. Of the three languages, English is the most illogical. Crazy stuff.
 

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Typo was originally noted and amended. Once again, obsessively stalk anyone? It appears to me you once accused another member of doing so and now, you're doing the same with me. :wink:

I'm quoting you so you can't delete the posts.
 

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If you could both get back to arguing over feminism rather than each other, that would simplify the mods' job considerably. Thanks.
 

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Fun fact: when I hear a comment about "Women!", most of the time I imagine this guy saying it...

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(Derailment? What derailment?)
 

rav3n

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I'm quoting you so you can't delete the posts.
Nowhere have I deleted posts. I reread after posting, finding typos and grammatical errors to amend. This doesn't mean my grasp of the English language isn't as a first language and that I didn't absorb all three languages simultaneously where the primary language being spoken for the earlier part of my life wasn't English. Did I mention that I also speak multiple dialects in one language? Or will you quote me from the past as not having mentioned this tidbit, hence it's untrue?

Like I said, obsessively stalk much Jaguar?

E - Okay Jennifer, just noticed your post. Back on track for me.
 

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I resist identifying as a feminist because, historically at least, it was a movement created by middle-class white women for middle-class white women. I think of myself as an advocate of social justice in general, and allow my views on gender equality and women's rights to be encompassed therein.
 

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I resist identifying as a feminist because, historically at least, it was a movement created by middle-class white women for middle-class white women. I think of myself as an advocate of social justice in general, and allow my views on gender equality and women's rights to be encompassed therein.

What you say you don't identify with is Second Wave Feminism, Third Wave Feminism encompasses varying race, socio-economic and other issues as well as gender equality.

I think it's really sad that people think Second Wave Feminism is what feminism is, in its entirety. It's not about middle class white women and butch dykes who hate men and think all heterosexual sex is rape.
 

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What you say you don't identify with is Second Wave Feminism, Third Wave Feminism encompasses varying race, socio-economic and other issues as well as gender equality.

I think it's really sad that people think Second Wave Feminism is what feminism is, in its entirety. It's not about middle class white women and butch dykes who hate men and think all heterosexual sex is rape.

Third wave feminism doesn't even deserve to be called a movement. It's a stagnant nebula.

I think the only thing we'll all agree on is the first wave. I think.
 

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Oh, also Third Wave Feminism embraces female sexuality as empowering, and is open to varying sexual roles both heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual, and includes sex workers and seperates your sex life from your politics.
 

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I used to think I was pro-feminist, mainly because I didnt like anti-feminists ironically, I read a lot of feminist books and they were interesting but a lot of them appeared dated or niche material.

I'm not feminist anymore, not in the least, so far are equality goes I think socialism or/and individualism covers it.
 

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I think Second Wave Feminism was absolutely necessary, though, because even in the wake of First Wave Feminism women were still treated primarily as objects and property, they just were more likely to go to community college and have secretarial jobs, and didn't wear corsets anymore. There was still a very unethical inequality before Second Wave Feminism, and because of the middle class white women who pushed boundaries, went to universities, waited on marriage (or chose not to marry and/or not to have children), and started careers, it opened the door for true equality in the sexes, and it also helped to influence rights in the gay community as well, because of gender bending, more flexible sex roles, and openly addressing lesbianism.

Third Wave Feminism has its flaws because, yes, some people disagree that sex work can ever be "empowering" and think that's ass backwards, and also this is where a lot of the over-exaggeration began, IMO.

I do consider myself a Third Wave Feminist, though. Just not an extremist.
 
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