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    If you could both get back to arguing over feminism rather than each other, that would simplify the mods' job considerably. Thanks.
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    Fun fact: when I hear a comment about "Women!", most of the time I imagine this guy saying it...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    I'm quoting you so you can't delete the posts.
    Nowhere have I deleted posts. I reread after posting, finding typos and grammatical errors to amend. This doesn't mean my grasp of the English language isn't as a first language and that I didn't absorb all three languages simultaneously where the primary language being spoken for the earlier part of my life wasn't English. Did I mention that I also speak multiple dialects in one language? Or will you quote me from the past as not having mentioned this tidbit, hence it's untrue?

    Like I said, obsessively stalk much Jaguar?

    E - Okay Jennifer, just noticed your post. Back on track for me.

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    I resist identifying as a feminist because, historically at least, it was a movement created by middle-class white women for middle-class white women. I think of myself as an advocate of social justice in general, and allow my views on gender equality and women's rights to be encompassed therein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind-up Rex View Post
    I resist identifying as a feminist because, historically at least, it was a movement created by middle-class white women for middle-class white women. I think of myself as an advocate of social justice in general, and allow my views on gender equality and women's rights to be encompassed therein.
    What you say you don't identify with is Second Wave Feminism, Third Wave Feminism encompasses varying race, socio-economic and other issues as well as gender equality.

    I think it's really sad that people think Second Wave Feminism is what feminism is, in its entirety. It's not about middle class white women and butch dykes who hate men and think all heterosexual sex is rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    What you say you don't identify with is Second Wave Feminism, Third Wave Feminism encompasses varying race, socio-economic and other issues as well as gender equality.

    I think it's really sad that people think Second Wave Feminism is what feminism is, in its entirety. It's not about middle class white women and butch dykes who hate men and think all heterosexual sex is rape.
    Third wave feminism doesn't even deserve to be called a movement. It's a stagnant nebula.

    I think the only thing we'll all agree on is the first wave. I think.
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    Oh, also Third Wave Feminism embraces female sexuality as empowering, and is open to varying sexual roles both heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual, and includes sex workers and seperates your sex life from your politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I think the only thing we'll all agree on is the first wave. I think.
    It could have been so easy for Helios to say that, but noooooo.

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    I used to think I was pro-feminist, mainly because I didnt like anti-feminists ironically, I read a lot of feminist books and they were interesting but a lot of them appeared dated or niche material.

    I'm not feminist anymore, not in the least, so far are equality goes I think socialism or/and individualism covers it.

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    I think Second Wave Feminism was absolutely necessary, though, because even in the wake of First Wave Feminism women were still treated primarily as objects and property, they just were more likely to go to community college and have secretarial jobs, and didn't wear corsets anymore. There was still a very unethical inequality before Second Wave Feminism, and because of the middle class white women who pushed boundaries, went to universities, waited on marriage (or chose not to marry and/or not to have children), and started careers, it opened the door for true equality in the sexes, and it also helped to influence rights in the gay community as well, because of gender bending, more flexible sex roles, and openly addressing lesbianism.

    Third Wave Feminism has its flaws because, yes, some people disagree that sex work can ever be "empowering" and think that's ass backwards, and also this is where a lot of the over-exaggeration began, IMO.

    I do consider myself a Third Wave Feminist, though. Just not an extremist.

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