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    Red face Validity of Drug-Induced Spiritual Experiences

    What is amazing to me is that in a thread on Spirituality, mention is made of Jack Daniels, heroine, meth and weed.

    For anyone in love with spirituality all of the above are artificial; they are fake spirituality; they are phoney spirituality.

    So anyone using them in the name of spirituality is an imposter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    What is amazing to me is that in a thread on Spirituality, mention is made of Jack Daniels, heroine, meth and weed.

    For anyone in love with spirituality all of the above are artificial; they are fake sprirituality; they are phoney spirituality.

    So anyone using them in the name of spirituality is an imposter.

    Victor.
    Absolutely not.

    Why should there be a difference? One person uses meditation to calm himself down, another uses a depressant. Granted, the long-term side effects might be different, but that doesn't detract from the quality of the experience. One is a high-brow method, the other is low-brow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    Absolutely not.

    Why should there be a difference? One person uses meditation to calm himself down, another uses a depressant. Granted, the long-term side effects might be different, but that doesn't detract from the quality of the experience. One is a high-brow method, the other is low-brow.
    But there is a vast difference in the quality of the experience.

    One is authentic and real and the other is fake and phoney.

    To suggest they are the same is merely a semantic trick.

    For a very long time we have been fed on the propaganda that weed, heroine, acid and meth are pathways to the spiritual life.

    And for a long time we have seen this is good propanda but is untrue.

    I can't understand why you would think we would believe your propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    For a very long time we have been fed on the propaganda that weed, heroine, acid and meth are pathways to the spiritual life.
    We have?

    And for a long time we have seen this is good propanda but is untrue.
    We have?

    I think you need to start substituting your "we" with an "I" there, Victor.

    And I imagine that Victor would get all paranoid and start tweaking out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous View Post
    We have?



    We have?

    I think you need to start substituting your "we" with an "I" there, Victor.

    And I imagine that Victor would get all paranoid and start tweaking out.
    Gosh, in the 1950's we were fed the propanda that alcohol was the poor man's mysticism.

    And in the 1960's we were fed the propaganda that acid et al was the way to enlightenment.

    The problem is so many believed this propaganda in part because they wanted too.

    And it is important to remember that propaganda is neither true nor false, only plausible.

    And in fact this propaganda is highly plausible and untrue.

    Victor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    But there is a vast difference in the quality of the experience.

    One is authentic and real and the other is fake and phoney.
    Because... you say so? What's the difference? The way I see it, they're just two different vehicles for arriving at the same destination. One is more permanent, and the ride back is bumpier.

    To suggest they are the same is merely a semantic trick.
    Is has nothing to do with words. It has to do with the experience itself, which is similar if not identical.

    For a very long time we have been fed on the propaganda that weed, heroine, acid and meth are pathways to the spiritual life.

    And for a long time we have seen this is good propanda but is untrue.

    I can't understand why you would think we would believe your propaganda.

    Victor.
    You're just repeating your conclusion instead of explaining anything.

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    For a very long time we have been fed on the propaganda that weed, heroine, acid and meth are pathways to the spiritual life.
    Well, from what I've heard, they certainly seem to be able to invoke spiritual feelings in some people. I'm fairly confident that you haven't done any of those (neither have I), so how would you know if they do or don't invoke a spiritual feeling?

    And, what people say they experienced isn't exactly propaganda.

    We seem to be getting away from the original topic though.
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    The native americans took peyote to achieve spiritual enlightenment, but I'm pretty sure what you've listed, Victor, are substances that are abused to achieve ecstasy, relaxation, or hallucination.

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    Split thread from Imagining people...on weed!

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    Spirituality in general is fake, IMO.

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