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    Any note of compulsion or coercion and its rape.

    Yes I do consider childhood seductions rape too. I do consider adults courting adolescents inappropriate and any sex occuring likely to be tantamount to rape also. No excuses.

    To be honest I always find threads like this a little detestable in so far as they appear to always raise doubts about the idea of rape, it seems to be their entire purpose, similarly with debates about the age of majority or age of conscent to sexual acts.

    Here's how I see it, there are serious questions if someone is seducing people so much their junior as to why they need to do so, why cant they have relationships with their peers? Likewise why would anyone need to employ such tactics as the others mentioned to have sex? Is it even sex?

    I ask that seriously because even if its not legally proven rape, I would not qualify any of that behaviour as sex, its beyond selfish, it involves objectifying the other and its something like masturbation using another's body.

    That's the least disgusting description I can think of for it and it reminds me of the bit in Hitch when Will Smith's character puts the smack down on the guy who I suspect represents the majority of the PUA readers and players and questions whether he even likes women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    would these hypothetical situations be considered rape?

    1) you hypnotize someone into having sex with you
    Yes

    2) you get someone drunk so that you can manipulate them to have sex with you
    No. Because it's always a personal decision to be drunk.

    3) you have sex with someone controversially younger than you, but they consent
    If they are under the age of consent in the country where you are, it's a "statutory rape", not a real rape.

    4) you manipulate someone into having sex with you when you know they'll regret it later.
    No. Manipulate is not forcing.

    5) you threaten to withdraw support for an individual if they don't have sex with you (not support that they need, like a job, money for living expenses or healthcare, but some other type of support that they can survive without)
    No, that's simply a negociation.


    6) you threaten to withdraw support that the individual does need (such as those listed above)
    No, same as the above.

    7) you make your spouse have sex with you after they have been witholding it from you
    Yes.

    8) someone has consented to have sex with you. you're in the middle of things and they say "stop!" and you don't
    Yes.
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    1) you hypnotize someone into having sex with you

    I don't believe this is even possible.

    2) you get someone drunk so that you can manipulate them to have sex with you

    What is meant by "drunk"?

    3) you have sex with someone controversially younger than you, but they consent

    What is meant by "controversially younger"?

    4) you manipulate someone into having sex with you when you know they'll regret it later.

    No, of course not.

    5) you threaten to withdraw support for an individual if they don't have sex with you (not support that they need, like a job, money for living expenses or healthcare, but some other type of support that they can survive without)

    No.

    6) you threaten to withdraw support that the individual does need (such as those listed above)

    Yes.

    7) you make your spouse have sex with you after they have been witholding it from you

    Yes.

    8) someone has consented to have sex with you. you're in the middle of things and they say "stop!" and you don't

    Yes.

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    oh fuck no not the rape thread again!

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    The second one, I think, can be called rape if, for example, you spiked hir drink without s/he knowing. Otherwise, it's kind of a muddy area, but a dick move nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    oh fuck no not the rape thread again!
    "I've never heard of a criminal called Rape Ape."

    "That's because his name is RAPIER Ape."

    "An ape that's even Rapier than Rape Ape?!"

    "Please God, tell me there's no Rapiest Ape."

    "No, he's called Rapier Ape because he uses a rapier. It's a type of sword."

    "He rapes people with a sword?!"

    "I'd rather be raped with a penis."

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    Sex should be an act of pleasure for both parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Jelly View Post
    Sex should be an act of pleasure for both parties.
    Yes, that's why in our neighborhood we hold 2 rape parties a year.
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    What if she's already dead? Is it still rape?

    And what if you're a 5 and she's a 10? Is it rape?

    Or what if she's got a rich dad and you're from the ghetto? (Oh, who am I kidding, that's definitely rape!)

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