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    I know this is your thread Vala, but :3 I don't have questions at all, and want to participate, so I thought I'd just jump in and answer some that differed from your own.

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    What kind of spells do you cast, if any?

    How often?
    Not nearly often enough--mainly because I lack personal space and that is extremely important to me. Spirituality is a private matter to me, so I don't tend to share it with others, at least not in a way where they can see my workings. The spells I cast are specific and tailored to a certain need and concern. I don't cast general "Bring me luck!" spells.. I'd more-so cast a spell of divination to try and see what I am missing that's making me stumble.

    I'd say I cast spells once a year.. But when I lived alone, I casted on holidays and on occasions I felt it necessary as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Is there a specific God to which you direct your prays?
    There are different aspects of the God and Goddess.. In my particular belief, I feel that the angels, demons, and spiritual figures of other religions exist as well, all facets of the God and Goddess. So it is common to see me pray to the Christian side of 'God' for christian friends, appealing to that nature of the God.. I'm not Wiccan, btw. So while it can be specific, I don't turn to the same one every time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    Thanks Is there a divide at all in the magical community between Pagans and strictly practical magic users?
    There is. To me the community is divided into all different sections: Unfortunately, the biggest section is the spambots, that just fill the cache with myth and junk. I'd consider myself a practical magic user.. I don't normally cast on holidays, or call to the sun, etc. There are many types of spells out there, but in my particular niche we believe the God and Goddess already deliver you the things you need.. So most of my casting is about trying to figure out what I'm not seeing, the way a kid asks their parents why a bug is green.. they just don't put the pieces together that it's camoflague to help it survive, but a small nudge in the right direction will give the conclusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by LEGERdeMAIN View Post
    Most of the wiccans I've known were basically agnostic with interests in mythology and the supernatural so it's nice of you to share something beyond "i <3 nature + I like having really long nails".

    based on your post explaining god/goddess duality it seems that wiccans are actually theists or is the god/goddess thing not to be taken literally?
    To me, I feel Wiccans must be Theist. There is a God, and a Goddess, undoubtably. How they think of these is different from the norm, but the principles are there. Pagans may not necessarily be theist.. Either are magic-users. Agnostics are their own category--they literally doubt a God exists.. whereas Wiccans are pretty firm in their beliefs. It's why they cast magic in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Where did you first learn about paganism and when did you accept it as your philosophy/spirituality/religion?
    I studied many religions for fun back when I helped volunteer at a library--I must have been 14. Wicca was one that stood out for me, I found many Christian like (and thus boring to read about ). I'm not wiccan, but it got the ball rolling. I started to contemplate and ponder what I truly felt, what I observed.. I started actively seeking my answers from age 15 on.. Around 17-18, I came to the conclusion I currently have, and I am spiritually satisfied, and content, with what I've conjured. I stick with Pagan workings because they're dear to me and were the foundation of my search.

    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    Have you ever danced naked outdoors? (Bonus points for a full moon and a bonfire.) If so, was it related to said 'pagan beliefs'?

    ...be honest!

    Also, do you view your beliefs as a religion or a philosophy?
    Religion based in Philosophy, for me. Ive never danced outside naked, but I totally would. Working naked is great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightyear View Post
    First thing that came to mind, "What's the point of a spell, if it's not supernatural?" What is the spell then? Scientifically provable? Where does the energy/force/whatever come from that leads to the spell being answered?
    For me, it comes mostly from within and my surroundings--everything has an energy, even if it isn't a living one. A spell is very much like focusing.. or like a prayer. A meditation on the events currently taking place, trying to seek an answer the way someone thinks during prayer. Sometimes just asking out loud brings it to you--other times you have to be patient and find it buried.. but if you know something is there, you don't stop digging. thats as best as I can explain it anyways.
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    what do you wish more people knew or understood about paganism?

    how often do you feel like you talk about things and people don't take you seriously ["oh gosh darling *of course* spirits talk to you. bless your little heart"?]

    how often do you feel like people feel that "this is just a phase" and you'll grow out of it or "see the errors of your way?"

    how many people get totally turned off or blindsided with the whole "spirits/aura/magic/psychic-stuff" when you talk about that?

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    Imagination, Reality and Regression

    What's interesting is that so many christian celebrations are simply taken from pagen celebrations.

    And I think the big danger in paganism or christianity is literalism. Once we give our imaginings a literal interpretation, they become ridiculous.

    The work of children is play. And the purpose of play is to learn the difference between imagination and reality. But both paganism and christianity are so regressive as to confuse imagination and reality.

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    To answer Scott's questions:

    what do you wish more people knew or understood about paganism?

    That it isn't evil. We don't worship Satan. (I tend to exclude Satanism from Paganism due to the Judaeo-Christian origins of Satan.) We do not kill things, but instead revere life. We are very tolerant, probably more tolerant of others' faith than they are of ours. Many of us worship the same deity others do, we just see him/her with different names and faces. We understand our stories are myths, just like the stories of other faiths. We don't worship trees/nature, we worship with nature, since all creation reveals the creator. We are not (all) flaky new-age fortune-tellers wearing pentagrams and flowy skirts. We hold a broad spectrum of mainstream jobs, pay our bills, raise our families, help our neighbors. In short, we are not that different from everyone else. Most people probably know a Pagan without realizing it.

    how often do you feel like you talk about things and people don't take you seriously ["oh gosh darling *of course* spirits talk to you. bless your little heart"?]

    Hardly ever, because I keep personal topics like spirituality to myself most of the time. When I do discuss it, I never label myself (Hi, I'm a Pagan . . . ), but simply share my beliefs and perspective. Sometimes people disagree, but it has never been poorly received.

    how often do you feel like people feel that "this is just a phase" and you'll grow out of it or "see the errors of your way?"

    Never, for the reasons described above, plus I can give people good reasons for the specific things that I do, and they usually cannot argue successfully with that.

    how many people get totally turned off or blindsided with the whole "spirits/aura/magic/psychic-stuff" when you talk about that?

    A couple of people have been rather surprised the first time I discussed my beliefs and practices with them, but they were close friends, listened patiently to my explanations, and came to understand how it made sense for me. I think they even respected that I felt free to depart from the mainstream so significantly, and follow my own way. If I suspect someone will be turned off by talk of spirits or energy working, and the subject of spirituality or religion comes up, I generally focus on how we view the divine, our place in the universe, etc. and generally end up with a decent discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott N Denver View Post

    1. what do you wish more people knew or understood about paganism?

    2. how often do you feel like you talk about things and people don't take you seriously ["oh gosh darling *of course* spirits talk to you. bless your little heart"?]

    3. how often do you feel like people feel that "this is just a phase" and you'll grow out of it or "see the errors of your way?"

    4. how many people get totally turned off or blindsided with the whole "spirits/aura/magic/psychic-stuff" when you talk about that?
    1. How magic is viewed within paganism. People just assume it's like in sci-fi and fantasy and judge based on that. Granted, considering thats what they associate with magic, it's to be expected, but it makes me sigh coz chances are they won't accept my explanation of how it's different, won't care to hear it and judge based on their old idea of it anyways and therefore consider me a lunatic. It's kinda..let's not even bother to bring it up, at this point.

    2. Not often at all, as I don't even discuss this with my boyfriend. He knows, he supports me, but I can see the doubt in his eyes when I talk about this stuff, and it tires me. I also understand it as I know what it's like to have to believe something based on what someone else is telling me, something I've never really seen or experienced, so I don't bother people with this stuff. It just creates friction and awkwardness with friends and gets you mocked by strangers who roll their eyes at you or just wanna get away from you coz you're psycho. I did once have fun taunting my ISFJ friend who went on a loud rant about how people don't believe in leprechauns and everyone accepts that as crazy while people do accept main religions as absolutely normal. I couldn't resist going: 'Who says nobody believes in leprechauns? I do ' Watching her Fe squirm to try and repair the damage that got done was cute. Don't worry, I didn't let her suffer more than 30 seconds. Then I encouraged her to go on with her rant.

    3. When I was 20, this drove me batty. I was a lot more open and loud about it, and still figuring things out, so my family tossed that one in my face *all the time*. My dad even went on a crazy 'omg, she's going to end up in a cult!!!' phase, at which my mom rolled her eyes and went: 'dude, if she's going to end up in a cult, she's going to have to start one as she wont even listen to you after 20 years. What makes you think she's going to take orders from some random guy? '

    4. Almost all of em. Even my own friends. Except the ones that are fluffy bunnies. They make me wanna run, in turn. It's why it's refreshing to meet actual pagans instead of wanna-bes.
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    Has the prevalence of Harry Potter books and movies done anything to change people's perceptions or attitudes towards paganism or pagan ideas in your opinion/assessment?

    In your mind, what are some of the major typical beliefs or attitudes associated with paganism? Expressed differently, if someone said "umm, so your pagan, what does that mean or involve?" how would you respond?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott N Denver View Post
    what do you wish more people knew or understood about paganism?
    Honestly, just the history and origin.. how old it truly is. Having that sort of respect for it and less thinking of it as some caveman trying to explain lightning back in the day would be fantastic. I don't care if people think its crazy, or believe we're right.. just that they respect it a bit more. It isn't some "Omg if I paint my nails red true love will find me!" equation. It is something deeply connected in an ancient way to the world--and I think that calls for more respect than it gets.

    how often do you feel like you talk about things and people don't take you seriously ["oh gosh darling *of course* spirits talk to you. bless your little heart"?]
    I think this is about everything.. There are people I can go to, and talk to about this.. but majority of people would either disapprove, or not take me seriously, so I tend to leave it out of conversation. It just never gets brought up. I do tend to white-lie as well.. especially with things like strangers, co-workers, bosses, etc.. Since I do believe Judeo-Christian God is the same as my god, it is easy for me refer to him in public this way without getting all the weird stares. I don't have hours to explain my way of life to people, its just easier this way.

    how often do you feel like people feel that "this is just a phase" and you'll grow out of it or "see the errors of your way?"
    I think many of my friends initially thought this about me. My best friend and my love at the time both supported me on it, which helped a lot. I probably would have found this path without any support, but it would have been later in my adult years than when I was younger. I think this is normal with most teenagers though.. "You don't love him--its just a phase" and later on they end up married. Everything is a phase until time proves otherwise.

    how many people get totally turned off or blindsided with the whole "spirits/aura/magic/psychic-stuff" when you talk about that?
    Enough that I don't. Like I said, I find it very private in the first place-- I do not initiate conversation, and I don't divulge information without people actively probing--I also have to feel like they're genuine.. Probing to troll warrants white lies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott N Denver View Post
    Has the prevalence of Harry Potter books and movies done anything to change people's perceptions or attitudes towards paganism or pagan ideas in your opinion/assessment?
    I think the popularity of fiction novels rising in mainstream society in general has done wonders.. More people that don't care to know about Wiccans know at least the basics now more than ever. Pagans don't equal satan anymore necessarily.. The ability to see people acting like normal people while using magic in a safe context like a story just helps. They aren't destroying the world.. I honestly thought even X-men and comics like that helped a lot as well.

    There was a show called Mad Mad House on Sci-fi that was a small cult-hit while it was on the air. It was big-brother style, and had a lot of really elaborate, wacky antics.. but it featured people from walks of life very different from the American norm. It was a GREAT show that taught a lot while still having fun snippets here and there. I loved it.

    In your mind, what are some of the major typical beliefs or attitudes associated with paganism? Expressed differently, if someone said "umm, so your pagan, what does that mean or involve?" how would you respond?
    Gods exist, plural, living together as one united entity via the earth itself. Their energies in all their forms are everywhere, within everything, and that energy extends to you as well. You have more energy than you ever need, honestly, and it is the same with everything else on the earth. The entire point is just recognizing that energy, and the power of the earth itself, and being grateful and looking to that web of intensity for guidance. And giving back when you can.

    Pagans are big on balance.. Yings and yangs, and shades of gray softening black and white. Throwing off that balance is something you try to avoid, and staying in tune with it is something you strive for. The way people express those concepts is different for each pagan.

    I don't know if I said that right, but it is as close as I can get.
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    Awesome, a Pagan discussion. I would also like to chime in if I may as a self-identified Heathen.

    I identify with Germanic Neo-Paganism philosophically (i.e. Machiavellian) and historically/culturally since I'm of Anglo-Norman descent; however, my ideas as to the nature of gods differs. I'm a panendeist, so I believe in a single supreme being that permeates all of nature and living creatures, yet still retains a certain consciousness. I'm probably similar to kyuuei in the regard that I believe that all of the monotheistic "gods" are the same. I just call mine Odin. By definition, this being does not necessarily take an active role in our world, but I admit I do pray when I feel like it if only for its meditative advantages.

    As far as the nature of other gods, angels, and spirits, I take a more agnostic role, though I am open to their existence. I do not cast spells. I do not take part in rituals unless they are of my own making, though I am open to others if I feel they are productive.

    Anyway, just thought I'd lend my two cents as to how diverse Pagan beliefs are. One article on Paganism I read specifically referred to certain divisions as Pagan pantheism, which I felt suit me better than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vala Faye View Post
    If you practice magic, and are 'spiritual' but do not have a religion as such, you're most likely a Witch. They go for the sheer magical side of it all and are technically not Pagan, I guess but are still lumped in together with Pagans and generally accepted as such. They also get very tired of being considered Wiccan everywhere they go, as Wicca tends to be the mainstream idea of how people see modern witches these days, while often Witches absolutely don't agree with the dogma that Wicca upholds.

    Still with me?
    Wait, what, what do you consider magical.

    Metaphysical? Synchronicity? Law of Attraction? Positive intentions? Mysticism? New Age paradigms? Electric universes? Holographic Universes? Sequential activation of 12 dna strands? Light and sound activation? Clairaudience, clairsentience, clairvoyance, precognition, psychokinesis, telekinesis, telepathy, psychics?

    What is the difference between warlocks, wizards, magicians, sorcerers, shamans, druids, witches and seers etc any?

    How important is the role of astrology in witchcraft? Where do rituals come from? Why are they necessary? Are stones and crystals important in witchcraft? What about cauldrons, is it true they make tasty soups with herbs and spices? And wands, I have to ask, do you have a wand? And do you like or dislike Bewitched the series?

    What are your views about reincarnation and past lives? Have you ever had any past life regression done to determine why you are interested in this field you have been drawn to your whole life? If not have you entertained the idea? Have you astral traveled, describe this idea? Also what is the intention behind book of shadows and grimoires?

    I ask too much out of curiosity. you asked.

    I naturally have an interest in this on some level it seems. And seem to test as Pagan, Neo-Pagan and Universal Universalism, I am undecided where I stand personally and its a curious thread. Thanks in advance.

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