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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    The situation in China disturbs me.
    Haha I live in China. It's nothing like what most Americans think it is. Chinese people are filthy rich - at least the ones in Shanghai, where I live. Well, to be fair, Shanghai's the most well-off city in the whole country. Beijing comes in second, even though it's the capital. I guess Shanghai's like America's New York in that sense.

    Besides, no one's being oppressed here... the Chinese government may be Communist (I don't understand why Americans demonize Communism anyway; it's only a socioeconomic concept!), but the Chinese economy is, alas, Capitalist down to its marrows.

    Anyhow, I'm deeply disturbed by violence. I hate watching bloody clips too.
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    That I don't get disturbed by much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperfish17 View Post
    Haha I live in China. It's nothing like what most Americans think it is. Chinese people are filthy rich - at least the ones in Shanghai, where I live. Well, to be fair, Shanghai's the most well-off city in the whole country. Beijing comes in second, even though it's the capital. I guess Shanghai's like America's New York in that sense.

    Besides, no one's being oppressed here... the Chinese government may be Communist (I don't understand why Americans demonize Communism anyway; it's only a socioeconomic concept!), but the Chinese economy is, alas, Capitalist down to its marrows.

    Anyhow, I'm deeply disturbed by violence. I hate watching bloody clips too.
    I'm glad to know that some people aren't bad off..... there are many here (Cali) who came from China, and they unfortunately tell a different story.
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    Gullible people. Idiotic behavior culminating into harming others.

    Loud, shrill screaming.

    Other than that, being affected by the disturbance for me is like an oil leak in water, slowly expanding until the entire ocean is a shade darker. It takes just as long to purify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copperfish17 View Post
    Haha I live in China. It's nothing like what most Americans think it is. Chinese people are filthy rich - at least the ones in Shanghai, where I live. Well, to be fair, Shanghai's the most well-off city in the whole country. Beijing comes in second, even though it's the capital. I guess Shanghai's like America's New York in that sense.

    Besides, no one's being oppressed here... the Chinese government may be Communist (I don't understand why Americans demonize Communism anyway; it's only a socioeconomic concept!), but the Chinese economy is, alas, Capitalist down to its marrows.

    Anyhow, I'm deeply disturbed by violence. I hate watching bloody clips too.
    How connected do you think China is to the rest of the world? Somehow you just painted it as an isolated paradise with gold gilded corridors, where nobles prance around like Peter Pan in neverland, wearing exquisite masks and robes adorned with the finest silk, fresh from the silk larva, which are fed with the finest herbs and alcoholic beverages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    How connected do you think China is to the rest of the world? Somehow you just painted it as an isolated paradise with gold gilded corridors, where nobles prance around like Peter Pan in neverland, wearing exquisite masks and robes adorned with the finest silk, fresh from the silk larva, which are fed with the finest herbs and alcoholic beverages.
    Really? Haha that's weird.

    I think China's pretty well-connected to the rest of the world. I lived in China for the past 11 or so years - well I was practically raised and educated here. I went to British/American International schools and that's where I learned English, Chinese, and Spanish with friends from all over the world (I'm Korean BTW): America, Hong Kong, Finland, Denmark, Italy, Germany, Great Britain, Japan, India, Australia, you name it.

    Anyhow, people here do know what's going on with the rest of the world. News programs are doing well and so are newspapers. To my knowledge, no news websites have been banned from China - I can access BBC, CNN, (New York) Times etc. without proxies. Korean/American channels are available on my TV, and I have friends who have access to other countries' channels as well.

    Oh, and by the way, everyone dresses like westerners around here - no traditional attire whatsoever, unless it's for a special photo-shoot. Perhaps during traditional marriages...

    I will say this: some websites are blocked in China and can be accessed via proxies only. These websites include Facebook and Youtube. These two actually weren't banned till 2-3 years ago, but something must've prompted the Chinese government to shut both down. Doesn't matter too much though, 'cause usable proxies are readily available.

    Did this answer your question?

    Below is a photo from The Bund of China. It's about 20 minutes away from my home if I take a car. That's the Yellow River right there. Here, there's a huge European bank made completely out of marble, the Pearl Tower, some restaurants, an underground (or should I say "under-river") tunnel available to tourists, a number of business centers, Shangri-la hotel, and a huge brand mall, just to name a few. I usually come here to hang out with my family or friends at Starbucks or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copperfish17 View Post
    Really? Haha that's weird.

    I think China's pretty well-connected to the rest of the world. I lived in China for the past 11 or so years - well I was practically raised and educated here. I went to British/American International schools and that's where I learned English, Chinese, and Spanish with friends from all over the world (I'm Korean BTW): America, Hong Kong, Finland, Denmark, Italy, Germany, Great Britain, Japan, India, Australia, you name it.

    Anyhow, people here do know what's going on with the rest of the world. News programs are doing well and so are newspapers. To my knowledge, no news websites have been banned from China - I can access BBC, CNN, (New York) Times etc. without proxies. Korean/American channels are available on my TV, and I have friends who have access to other countries' channels as well.

    Oh, and by the way, everyone dresses like westerners around here - no traditional attire whatsoever, unless it's for a special photo-shoot. Perhaps during traditional marriages...

    I will say this: some websites are blocked in China and can be accessed via proxies only. These websites include Facebook and Youtube. These two actually weren't banned till 2-3 years ago, but something must've prompted the Chinese government to shut both down. Doesn't matter too much though, 'cause usable proxies are readily available.

    Did this answer your question?
    Yes'm. I was actually just being creative and silly; I'm aware that the economy is quite prosperous over there, it's just that I have no Chinese friends whatsoever, save for one I met last year through a charter school and no longer keep tabs on. Considering the fact that she has a facebook, she must use proxies. However, since email addresses are required to create an account on either youtube or facebook, you would still have to be under the guise of the proxy while using your email address for them not to trace you. On the other hand, if those websites are simply censored, not criminalized or illegal to use, I suppose it doesn't matter.

    Well I believe google bought up youtube a couple of years ago, and the fact that borrowed material was frequently posted their without the permission of the respective owners made it very difficult to regulate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copperfish17 View Post
    Below is a photo from The Bund of China. It's about 20 minutes away from my home if I take a car. That's the Yellow River right there. Here, there's a huge European bank made completely out of marble, the Pearl Tower, some restaurants, an underground (or should I say "under-river") tunnel available to tourists, a number of business centers, Shangri-la hotel, and a huge brand mall, just to name a few. I usually come here to hang out with my family or friends at Starbucks or something.

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    copperfish, you are not even Chinese. I could also go to Shanghai and have a rip-roaring good ole time, while the rest of the country lies in filth.

    I would suggest educating yourself on the horrible practices being used against China and it's people, at the hands of it's own government (including carrying out executions against it's people for population control - yay for communism, eh? Where's communism? I want to sign up for a lethal injection! And I want to work 90 hour weeks for a half cent an hour with $15 taken out of my paycheck for boarding How can you use the internet when you can't afford a computer, which is where 90% of their population stands). Notice the schools you attended are AMERICAN/BRITISH, not Chinese. LoL..... (lucky for YOU, America has some schools in Shanghai).

    A pretty city created for others does not a good country make. All this post does for me is make you look uneducated and uncaring, and selfish. At least know the state of the environment outside of Shanghai before you decide how great communism is.

    America takes much better care of it's people. DUH. Some of the worst human rights violations in the WORLD happen in China.

    UNREAL......Absolutely and utterly unbelievable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    copperfish, you are not even Chinese. I could also go to Shanghai and have a rip-roaring good ole time, while the rest of the country lies in filth.

    I would suggest educating yourself on the horrible practices being used against China and it's people, at the hands of it's own government (including carrying out executions against it's people for population control - yay for communism, eh? Where's communism? I want to sign up for an injection! And I want to work 90 hour weeks for a half cent an hour with $15 taken out of my paycheck for boarding How can you use the internet when you can't afford a computer, which is where 90% of their population stands). Notice the schools you attended are AMERICAN/BRITISH, not Chinese. LoL..... (lucky for YOU, America has some schools in Shanghai).
    So if I'm not Chinese there's no way I would understand anything about the more vile practices in China? You aren't Chinese either, right? I've had plenty of opportunities to hear or read about the horrible deeds that go on in China, and do believe I know more than you do about the truth in the things that are (supposedly) happening.

    Executions do happen, but it's not for population control. The most recent execution involved a man in Inner Mongolia who ran over a young boy because he stood in the way of a vehicle. Is the practice of execution to be condemned? I have no answer for you.

    The thing about low wages... One, I knew about that already, and two, aren't Americans the ones who benefit most from them anyway? Low prices can't come without low production costs. Without this system, unfortunately, the world economy would suffer quite a deal. No offense, but I don't think Americans should judge so quickly about this issue. Judge me if you want, I don't care.

    I have friends who go to Chinese schools. Conditions are worse off than international schools, but they're still an option for many immigrants. I know I'm lucky to have studied at international schools. I'm not that stupid.

    A pretty city created for others does not a good country make. All this post does for me is make you look uneducated and uncaring, and selfish. At least know the state of the environment outside of Shanghai before you decide how great communism is.
    Hey, chill. It's not like I never stepped out of Shanghai over all these years. I've been to the poorer parts of the country a number of times and have even been to Sichuan when that huge earthquake struck as part of a voluntary community service trip. Besides, like I said, I've had lots of opportunities to discover the "state of environment outside of Shanghai" whilst I lived here, via TV, newspapers, internet, friends who live here etc.

    And by the way, one thing you should know is that while the Chinese press is heavily monitored and censored, the foreign ones aren't, and therefore foreigners are more likely to be aware of the stuff going on in China/the world than Chinese people.

    Stop blaming everything on Communism. Looks like you misunderstood me, but I'm no fan of Communism - I'm completely neutral, in fact. It's not Communism itself that's hurting Chinese people, it's the people with power - Communism is a CONCEPT, a THEORY that actually has little to do with the idea of oppressing people. The definition of Communism originally centers on property rights, not oppression. I really wish Americans would look deeper into Communism before getting all rowdy about it.

    America takes much better care of it's people. DUH. Some of the worst human rights violations in the WORLD happen in China.
    Worst human violations? Hardly... Pray tell what you've heard. I know there's a lot of untrue rumors going around about China, especially among Americans. I have no idea what's going on in America, so no comment.

    As uneducated as I may seem to you, so you seem ignorant to me.
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