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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux View Post
    And maybe your 'conscience' (consciousness) is what determines whether Karma exists. You create your own reality.

    When I was a young kid, I thought, that regarding religion, that it was each persons own true thoughts that determined what happened to them after death. If they believed in a God, then there was one for them, if they believed in nothing, then there was that, etc... As an adult, I know what feels 'right' and that it only feels right for me, and it's constantly being revised.

    I love your threads, btw. *smile*
    It's funny because I thought that as well, or at least considered it. Yes, according to Buddhism, the world is an illusion and you create your own reality. That's what keeps the whole dingy floating. Same for me as well, but hopefully tomorrow I won't have some new revelation and suddenly become horridly embarrassed with this thread!

    What if you believed.... IN EVERYTHING!

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    Personally, I think the concept of karma is a crock of shit. The basis for it relies on the assumption that there's some universally objective form of negative and positive(right or wrong), which again, I don't think to be true; Everything is relative and context dependent.

    Everything is simply a series of coincidences fueled by an infinite series of mathematical probabilities governed by every singe action we make, as well as those around us. Life is simply a giant do-it-yourself book in which the possibilities are endless, and in which opening of one door opens infinitely many in response, all with either slightly or substantially varying outcomes. In relation to karma, bad things happen to good people because there is no good or bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
    Personally, I think the concept of karma is a crock of shit. The basis for it relies on the assumption that there's some universally objective form of negative and positive(right or wrong), which again, I don't think to be true; Everything is relative and context dependent.

    Everything is simply a series of coincidences fueled by an infinite series of mathematical probabilities governed by every singe action we make, as well as those around us. Life is simply a giant do-it-yourself book in which the possibilities are endless, and in which opening of one door opens infinitely many in response, all with either slightly or substantially varying outcomes.
    There are many variants of karma. Some of which have nothing to do with a universal code of ethics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    There are many variants of karma. Some of which have nothing to do with a universal code of ethics.
    Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but isn't karma related to the type of energy one expels, be it either negative or positive? I don't want this to boil down into nothing more than a semantical back and forth, but how can the concept for it exist without somehow being tied down the ethics to some degree?

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    ^ The way I understand karma... it's more of a "you get what you dish out" kinda thing. It can be good and it can be bad... ultimately it doesn't matter if what you did/got is good or bad, since it all depends on what you see as "good" and "bad" - that's totally up to your interpretation. Hmm... I don't think I've ever associated karma with types of energies. On a little side note, I think "bad" karma can also come in the form of guilt, anxiety etc.

    Well, that's my take on the issue. I'd like to hear Ginkgo's thoughts too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperfish17 View Post
    ^ The way I understand karma... it's more of a "you get what you dish out" kinda thing. It can be good and it can be bad... ultimately it doesn't matter if what you did/got is good or bad, since it all depends on what you see as "good" and "bad" - that's totally up to your interpretation. Hmm... I don't think I've ever associated karma with types of energies. On a little side note, I think "bad" karma can also come in the form of guilt, anxiety etc.

    Well, that's my take on the issue. I'd like to hear Ginkgo's thoughts too.
    I nearly forgot about this thread.

    Yes copper, you are right. If if it is true, then those who have no sense of morality (note, not a universal distinction between good and bad, but rather a mere understanding of their personal morals) would be exempt from the rule. Sociopaths would be immune, though they do feel pain. The difference is that due to the guilt following bad intent, most people would project their feelings on their environment, which would remind them of their deeds. What comes around goes around. Although, in the case of instant karma, a person would immediately learn from their experience and never have to worry about dismal decisions. If you learn from your poor decisions, then you accept them. If you accept them, you are not in denial. Guilt is a nice concoction of fear and denial. Furthermore, if you have truly learned from your decisions, then you understand what is necessary to make different decisions next time. If you understand what is necessary, and have the tools to carry out which is necessary, fear is out of the picture. Everyone has the tools, as everyone has the capacity to understand their intent, even if it needs to surface from the unconscious. The Truth does not fear revelation.

    Supernatural forces are not necessarily in play. The only energies at work are the energies of the psyche.

    Yes, you are correct about the relativism. It's easy to get hung up on the idea that there's a universal moral order, but that's not what I'm saying. Everyone is responsible for their own morality, so it follows they are also responsible for their karma.

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    I like to think it exists so people can get their comeuppance .
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    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    I don't believe in Karma. Bad things happen to good people, good things to bad ones. There is no magical cause-and-effect relationship in the universe.
    Pol Pot lived to be a very old man. How to explain that?

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    I don't believe in karma- instead I believe in coincidence. So good or bad things always seem to happen when you wear a certain shirt? Just a coincidence although some people will believe a shirt or some other everyday object has good or bad karma. It's superstition if you ask me.
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    well here's one view...and here's my disclaimer...there is no one story, just different ways of seeing.

    I used to think karma was a crock, but after studying ontological coaching I started thinking....if my own actions are influenced by my language (internal dialog) and emotional space, and as a child I grew up accepting certain stories (language) from my parents and significant others, as well as what emotions were acceptable and unacceptable to express, then I will to some degree make choices in my life based on these scripts and bare the consequences....inherited habitual ways of being....karma perhaps...

    Unless we question the underlying scripts that run our lives then we we're at their mercy....past karma? I think there is karma at different levels too, ie karma of different levels of community in the world, though ultimately these are made up of individuals who have options. The options however may not be apparent unless the observer steps back to watch the observer, and asks the question, "how is my current way of being serving me?"

    Righto...one too many red wines on a Friday night...time to hit the sofa and crash

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