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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    The ritual, or practice, doesn't really need to match your beliefs, more your aesthetic sense and to some degree your background/personal history.
    To answer your questions here:

    For example, would a natural setting, or a comfortable home, or a traditional church make you feel most relaxed/at ease/open to the divine?
    I can find a connection to the divine practically anywhere. I could be at home, in a church, or in a natural setting, and I still feel the presence of God. No boundaries in this respect.

    Do you respond to music, singing, even dance, with lots of energy? or to something quieter like chant? or to quiet, like Quaker worship?
    I find the most intense spiritual connections though music and singing. With secular pieces, I've experienced intense spiritual experiences if the music takes my mind to a new level, where I can visualize Heaven, and also feel like the hairs on the back of my neck standing on end, or even feeling like I can be brought to tears. I'd like to have this type of experience with spiritual pieces. There has to be an emotional connection. I don't need to dance out of my chair or anything, but I really crave a more emotional spiritual experience. Something that feels epic and full of majestic grandeur.

    Are words/language an important part of ritual for you, or are actions and symbols more meaningful?
    A mixture of both. I like having the opportunity to do community service and perform good deeds to make the world a better place for us to live in. Words and language are important too, it gives me a deeper understanding of the religion and the history of it. I love to study things, and the more wisdom I gather from a religious/spiritual perspective and form connections between religion and my science knowledge, the better!

    Do you want to be a key participant in the ritual, or do you prefer being part of the "audience" while worship leaders do most things?
    Key participant, like a student-teacher type of interaction. If there's a question that pops up in my mind, I'd like to have the opportunity to ask it and obtain better understanding of what is being discussed. I suppose a more academic type of style.


    Now what fits those criteria, I have no clue! LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousFeeling View Post
    In order to be classified as a particular religion, there is a set of rituals that goes with it. If there isn't a set of rituals associated with what you already do spiritually with existing religions, then what religion would it be classified as?

    It's more of a desire to identify my spiritual/religious niche, if this makes sense.
    I think of religion as one's set of beliefs about existence and the meaning of life, as one's "ultimate concern" (as existential theologian Paul Tillich defines it). I think of rituals as specific, predefined actions. I also view the two as independent of each other. For example, if I had to apply a specific and succinct (one word only ) label to my own religious perspective, I would have to say "Christian," even though I very rarely engage in any Christian rituals, and cringe at some of the negative connotations of the label.

    It sounds like you are looking mainly for social affiliation with those who have a similar spiritual perspective? I think you would be most likely to find this at churches located near major universities where most of the participants are professors and students. They are also likely to be less formal groups who meet and worship in houses, schools, and campus buildings. I doubt the ideal group exists though. It will be an exercise in attempting to find the closest match which is still both tolerable and somewhat worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAVO View Post
    I think of religion as one's set of beliefs about existence and the meaning of life, as one's "ultimate concern" (as existential theologian Paul Tillich defines it). I think of rituals as specific, predefined actions. I also view the two as independent of each other. For example, if I had to apply a specific and succinct (one word only ) label to my own religious perspective, I would have to say "Christian," even though I very rarely engage in any Christian rituals, and cringe at some of the negative connotations of the label.

    It sounds like you are looking mainly for social affiliation with those who have a similar spiritual perspective? I think you would be most likely to find this at churches located near major universities where most of the participants are professors and students. They are also likely to be less formal groups who meet and worship in houses, schools, and campus buildings. I doubt the ideal group exists though. It will be an exercise in attempting to find the closest match which is still both tolerable and somewhat worthwhile.
    Yes, finding social affiliation with those that share a similar spiritual perspective as mine is what I am searching for. That, and interpreting it with a scholarly/academic approach, in combination with the emotional/spiritual connection, feels more natural to me... and would be the most enlightening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    So why is there no ceremony for leaving any religion?
    There is always Catholic excommunication.

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Is it because there is no ceremony for leaving the Mafia?
    There is -- execution.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousFeeling View Post
    Now what fits those criteria, I have no clue! LOL
    Well, service activities aren't usually part of ritual itself, though they are often very important overall. From your answers, I would suggest a small congregation, perhaps even a house-church or prayer circle meeting apart from a church/temple; and one that has a strong musical element that coincides with your interests. (E.g. I like music in worship, too, but detest "praise music" and much of modern church music.) Now cross this with your preferred belief system, and you have an idea of what to look for. You may not find it exactly, but knowing your own preferences is a helpful guide.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Tragedy

    There is a time to learn our heritage and a time to reject our heritage.

    We learn our religious heritage as children and we reject our religious heritage as grown ups.

    But if we are given no religious heritage as children, we have nothing to reject as grown ups.

    This is simply a tragedy. It can't be remedied. If we become a convert, we will never be the same as those who took their religion in uncritically as children.

    So my advice is to explore the tragedy of your life by reading the Ancient Greek Tragedies and reading the Shakespearean Tragedies, and see yourself as in a mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    There is a time to learn our heritage and a time to reject our heritage.

    We learn our religious heritage as children and we reject our religious heritage as grown ups.

    But if we are given no religious heritage as children, we have nothing to reject as grown ups.

    This is simply a tragedy. It can't be remedied. If we become a convert, we will never be the same as those who took their religion in uncritically as children.

    So my advice is to explore the tragedy of your life by reading the Ancient Greek Tragedies and reading the Shakespearean Tragedies, and see yourself as in a mirror.
    There is none righteous Victor and the tragedy is a foolish heart that suppresses the truth. Have faith. God has made everything beautiful in his time. To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    There is none righteous Victor and the tragedy is a foolish heart that suppresses the truth. Have faith. God has made everything beautiful in his time. To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
    This is true, Nerd Girl, there is a time for every purpose under heaven, but not at the same time.

    So we must segue between one purpose and another. And the segue is a hiatus - a pause where everything stops, but starts again a moment later.

    I personally think the hiatus is the most interesting part of life. I inhabit hiati. I live in the interstices of hiati. Look, we are in a hiatus together now. And see, it doesn't hurt much at all.

    The hiatus is most important in l'alternance. It is the moment we stop between dancing and sitting. It's where nothing appears to be happening, but everything is happening.

    As now nothing seems to be happening but we are sharing our psyches for good or ill.

    Look, Victor and Nerd Girl are sharing their psyches and think nothing is happening, not knowing what may be born - slouching towards Bethlehem..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecTcelfeR View Post
    The one thing I really enjoy about Buddha is he never spoke about an afterlife; he spoke about a state of being, but of no god, because he didn't believe he could as he didn't know if it existed or not. He did say that if it did exist no human could describe it without being wrong. I enjoy that.
    (1) He always spoke on afterlife.
    (2) He said there is no all powerful creator god. But there are Gods/devas.
    (3) He said that an all powerful God couldn't exist because according to Buddha, a fundamental fact about the universe is that nothing is permanent. And if nothing is permanent there could not be an eternal god.
    (4) You shouldn't enjoy any of that (what you said).

    Who taught you about Buddhism? The pope?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    (1) He always spoke on afterlife.
    (2) He said there is no all powerful creator god. But there are Gods/devas.
    (3) He said that an all powerful God couldn't exist because according to Buddha, a fundamental fact about the universe is that nothing is permanent. And if nothing is permanent there could not be an eternal god.
    (4) You shouldn't enjoy any of that (what you said.)

    Who taught you about Buddhism? The pope?
    Thanks for doing the work of correcting my mistakes. I'm going to turn my paper into the teacher now.

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