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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    It seems that quantum theory could be interpreted in a way where nothing exists at all if there is no one to experience it. From this point of view it could be that my consciousness is creating the world now, and this just created stuff goes both forward and backward in time. So, universe is created because of consciousness. True or not, this makes me very uncertain to say anything about death.
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    Being open to possibility remains a hallmark of sure insanity tho aswell
    nolla, ftw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    It seems that quantum theory could be interpreted in a way where nothing exists at all if there is no one to experience it. From this point of view it could be that my consciousness is creating the world now, and this just created stuff goes both forward and backward in time. So, universe is created because of consciousness. True or not, this makes me very uncertain to say anything about death.
    The problem with that theory is: it makes you very uncertain of saying anything else tho aswell. Because outside of your perception anything is possible then and if you operate within such given parameters, you go crazy cause then you have nothing left you can think of as being real. Tho that may be a great thing to do for a pghilosopher on cocaine, I think for the common people like me that is just too much to *not* take
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    nolla, ftw.
    Ah cmon, "everything is possible" isnt really a win
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    It means that I will cease to exist, and very well that could happen in a very 'real' way, even with my consciousness - I am no more. My awareness/self is wiped out of the universe. I used to be more alarmed at this, until I realized that it would be no different from sleep - each night when I sleep I am effectively non-existent, as if I died in my sleep I would have no idea. Just as when I wake up I effectively have no idea what happened while I was sleeping.. because I wasn't aware of any of it.

    But it's also possible that my consciousness will continue on in some way. I won't know until it happens, or when it happens, nothing will happen other than what I said above. Basically I don't have any beliefs regarding what will happen after I die, because I don't think I'm in a position to really know. Of course I think it would be rather nice for my consciousness to continue ever on, in some capacity/form, but I'm also not banking on that. What happens happens.
    I have had the same thoughts, the same comparisons to sleep, etc. There's a reason that sleep is seen as a mini-death and that death is sometimes referred to as sleep. I used to have trouble when I was young going to sleep, because I did not know if I would wake up again.

    I have a hard time saying I believe in specific details that I cannot confirm are true, even if they are palatable. Religious beliefs seem to be that way for me. I use patterns in religious systems to help me determine how to live and to help me define my hopes and joys, but the reality is that I don't know what is true and what is not in terms of the specifics; death will provide a final answer that unfortunately at that point in time will no longer have meaning. All that matters to me now is how I live now, not what happens after death. (I don't even understand people who can focus on eternal reward as a motivator, and so loudly proclaim something that might or might not be true.) When I get there, then I'll be subject to what it is, and if I'm still conscious, then it'll be something new to work through.

    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Why is mortality something to be hurdled? Why would perpetual life necessarily be a reward?
    I don't know why it is looked at that way. Sometimes eternal life could be seen as a curse, as much as a suffering eternity here on earth would not be heaven but hell.

    My mind leaps through many patterns. I remember the end of "Insomnia," where Detective Dormer has probably lost his life's work and been mortally wounded, and now he's ready to rest and just says, "Sleep, Let me sleep," rather than being saved. (See "Awake" from "Sucker Punch" too.) Sometimes I've felt that way; even when life is good, the pain of some experiences still lingers and leaves me grateful at the thought of releasing all that and finally being at peace. It's good to finally be able to lay down your burden and find a respite from the unendurable grief, there at that end of all things.

    Also reminded of the end of Billy Joel's "Lullaby" to his daughter:
    "...Goodnight my angel now it's time to dream
    And dream how wonderful your life will be
    Someday your child will cry and if you sing this lullaby
    Then in your heart there will always be a part of me

    Someday we'll all be gone
    But lullabies go on and on
    They never die that's how you and I will be"
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    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    As for the concept of eternity/perpetual life, if consciousness were of the same.. vein and space/time awareness, then it really doesn't seem that appealing and I don't know why I'd want to have an eternity of it. I've never really understood the reward concept, but then I am also one of the lucky minority on this planet who isn't struggling for survival. From the perspective of many people on this planet, I could see why it might be a psychological necessity to want to rid oneself of mortality.
    Good thoughts here.

    Death as an end to physical suffering. As an escape from the responsibilities and inequalities contemporary to our lives. I wonder if these variables contribute to real-world problems like violent fundamentalism (not necessarily religious...) through pervasive socioeconomic disparity. That death serves a fond alternative to dealing with these inescapable disadvantages.

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    When death isnt the end of this life I am really pissed, cause not that nobody ever asked me if I wanted to have it, if it should then even continue after the time I tought it was finally over, I'll go on a killing spree
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Ah cmon, "everything is possible" isnt really a win
    Don't tell that to Quantum theorists.

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    How can you get rid of feeling physical pain by dumb people when you are dead and supposed to not feel physical pain no more ? Does the physical pain then transcend and not feels physical but more, I dunno... how can you be anything at all, if you do not feel a thing no more ?
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    To explain my stance on death, I have to explain my belief about human life. Human beings are animals where our lives are accidental meetings of sperm and egg. With this in mind, when we die, we no longer exist.

    And frankly, the thought of living forever is far more disturbing to me than the thought of ceasing to exist. Considering human nature, it's better that we cease to exist. Cynic, who me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Don't tell that to Quantum theorists.
    Thats not what quantum theorists say. they say there are a lot of possibilities but only so much are true at a given level of dimension
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