User Tag List

First 234

Results 31 to 39 of 39

  1. #31
    Senior Member Survive & Stay Free's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    ESTJ
    Enneagram
    9 so/sx
    Posts
    21,632

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    I don't understand why death should be the cut off point. Doesn't love keep no record of wrongs, always protects, always trusts, always perseveres, never fails? Why should the loss of the body make a difference to that? Why the divine doorslam, or fire, or worms, or darkness, or whatever? Why the chasm that can't be crossed? Why judgement day? And while we're at it, why is faith without evidence so bloody necessary? Didn't Jesus produce signs so people would believe? If so then clearly he didn't think it'd interfere with faith, or render it invalid.
    What evidence do you want?

    Its like the story about the man who throws himself in the river expecting god to save him, a man walks by and fishes him out, he does it again and a river patrol boat fishes him out, he does it again and a coastguard helicopter fishes him out, he does it again and drowns and tells God he did nothing to save him, God says I sent you a man, a boat and finally a helicopter, what do you want?

    The story of Thomas is there for a reason too, he is the skeptic and he was shown the evidence, the bible says happy he who hasnt seen and yet believes, it doesnt say damned is he who hasnt seen and doesnt believe.

  2. #32
    Senior Member Survive & Stay Free's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    ESTJ
    Enneagram
    9 so/sx
    Posts
    21,632

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Very convenient, isn't it? How else would a wealthy kings motivate the unwashed massed to sacrifice their lives for him?
    Capitalism? Humanism? Enlightenment? Modernism?

    I mean take your pick.

  3. #33
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    MBTI
    INTj
    Posts
    1,650

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Capitalism? Humanism? Enlightenment? Modernism?

    I mean take your pick.
    What? Those are reasons to rebel and prop the tyrant's head on a stick, not sacrifice one's life for him.

  4. #34
    Senior Member JivinJeffJones's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    INFP
    Posts
    3,698

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    What evidence do you want?
    Some of the same evidence Jesus apparently considered necessary would be nice. I hear those apostles were no slouches in the signs department either. They didn't consider miraculous signs to be demeaning to faith.

    So no comment on my question about death?

  5. #35
    Senior Member Sanctus Iacobus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    MBTI
    STP
    Posts
    286

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    Why the chasm that can't be crossed?
    The chasm has been crossed by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Once a person puts an end to the Atheist delusion or avoiding God (rebellion) or trying to cross the chasm on their own (religion), they can cross through belief in Jesus (relationship with God) and once a person is in Christ, answers to a lot of these questions are answered. For me my greatest fear was losing my identity in what seemed a lot like a cult-state of bliss, but rather I have found who I truly am behind the status, money, intelligence, whatever we use to define ourselves.

  6. #36
    Senior Member JivinJeffJones's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    INFP
    Posts
    3,698

    Default

    I don't think you read my post properly, jwn. I was referring to the chasm that exists after death. Let me rephrase it. Why should death make a difference to grace?

  7. #37
    Senior Member Survive & Stay Free's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    ESTJ
    Enneagram
    9 so/sx
    Posts
    21,632

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    What? Those are reasons to rebel and prop the tyrant's head on a stick, not sacrifice one's life for him.
    Sure they are

  8. #38
    Senior Member Survive & Stay Free's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    ESTJ
    Enneagram
    9 so/sx
    Posts
    21,632

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    Some of the same evidence Jesus apparently considered necessary would be nice. I hear those apostles were no slouches in the signs department either. They didn't consider miraculous signs to be demeaning to faith.

    So no comment on my question about death?
    What's that?

  9. #39
    ReflecTcelfeR
    Guest

    Default

    Sorry for such a late response, to the second post, but does anyone find it strange that this monk dreamt of a fiery place, while he was about to be cremated?

    It's hard for me to believe in a Hell. If Heaven is indescribably euphoric, then shouldn't Hell be indescribable as well? Logically, I would think that any human couldn't describe either one, even if the being allowing them to enter these places was trying to translate how painful it would be... We still wouldn't understand it. I enjoy the theory about disconnection, an extremely cold place. Like Dante's interpretation.

Similar Threads

  1. In hell they only...
    By Ricin in forum Arts & Entertainment
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 09-20-2012, 05:18 AM
  2. Acid Reflux/Heartburn - Burn in hell.
    By mrcockburn in forum Health and Fitness
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 08-06-2011, 04:32 PM
  3. NJ order and NP chaos in fiction and reality
    By nightwatcher in forum Popular Culture and Type
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 06-04-2008, 06:08 PM
  4. Checking in...
    By niklin in forum Welcomes and Introductions
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 11-21-2007, 09:04 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO