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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    But what is philosophy if all it is can be contained within never ending arguments and tomes of waffle? Is this some strange form of religion and hence not necessarily needing to be relevant to have worth or is the point of philosophy to merely drone on contained within it's own realms unrelated to all it pretends to discover?
    You know Nietzsche is really dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Although religion has had more to do with the development of both mathematics and critical thinking that you probably realise.
    I agree that religion was the beginning of critical thinking. Thing is, we've moved past it now. Just because elementary school is a good and valid place for children to go first, it doesn't mean you should stay there and never move forward into more complex levels of thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    You know Nietzsche is really dead.
    You adding to that or are you really going to make me devolve into text speak?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Purposes philosophy could serve if implemented correctly.
    #1 Better analysis of information on a daily basis. Consider advertising.
    #2 Better use of resources in public and private sectors, mainly by keeping focus on what the intended outcome is and ensuring that everything is harmonious with that.
    #3 Improved education. Not just regurgitation and repetition but actual understanding or the foundation upon which it can be built.

    High ideals maybe. Perhaps it's just me but I take offence when wisdom is used to make people feel big or when it degenerates into simply maintaining it's own existence regardless of how warped it has become. If philosophy is a science then perhaps it is now absorbed as one individual proposed to me, if it is an art however then perhaps it no longer seeks truth, merely reason to continue.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    I've come across 2 different kinds of philosophy styles, for lack of awesome term. The first seems to be mostly an exercise in mental masturbation. Most of the stuff I've read on ethics feels like that. On the other hand, I've found some philosophers who try to tackle questions of purpose and meaning like Nietzsche and Schopenhauer. I dig those guys and their stuff is much more relevant to my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I agree that religion was the beginning of critical thinking. Thing is, we've moved past it now. Just because elementary school is a good and valid place for children to go first, it doesn't mean you should stay there and never move forward into more complex levels of thought.
    Ever tried debating with someone who's been Jesuit trained? It can be quite a...lessoning in critical thinking.

    Having said that, instead of using the elementary school metaphor perhaps relevancy would be a better description. Religion or at least the core values from which it derives its conclusions are static in nature. The rationale need not be.

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    Philosophy is useless like poetry. We do philosophy for its own sake. We do philosophy because it tickles our brain. Hey, we do philosophy because it puts us in the zone.

    Doing something for its own sake is of the highest value. We lose ourselves and employ our highest faculties. We enter the flow.

    It is not work but it is leisure that is dignified. And what do we do with leisure? We turn to philosophy.

    The Ancient Greeks knew that leisure was the highest good and it was the Ancient Greeks who laid the foundations of Western philosophy.

    But there are still those who tell us, "Arbeit macht frei", (Work shall make us free) but it is a spectacular lie over the gates of hell.

    The Calvinists tell us the devil makes work for idle hands, and those hands must be put to work by capitalists to save our souls.

    But we know work is for slaves and philosophy for the free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Ever tried debating with someone who's been Jesuit trained? It can be quite a...lessoning in critical thinking.
    Please! It was the Jesuits who gave us the word 'jesuitical', meaning the perversion of critical thinking.

    And jesuitical perversion doesn't stop at thinking, as the Jesuits have just been forced to pay out one hundred and sixty six million US dollars to children they have raped in the north east of the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Do you employ what philosophy you know? How?
    So you are suggesting that philosophy is the religion for the high IQ crowd?
    Seriously though, I think the main purpose of philosophy is to provide meta-perspective. It is unfortunate however that some philosophers have a tendency to get lost in their house of words (Hegel anyone?).
    I recently watched a lecture series on the philosophy of science that I found fascinating (but it didn't discuss Bartley at all, which was disappointing).

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Philosophy is important because it means people are questioning society, why people do what they do, etc. It also helps to clarify what is ethically important, and why.
    Where does the philosophy stop and the sociology begin? In the days of the Greeks, there was no border between science and philosophy, but one seems to have been erected over the ages.

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    Yes, to ask what is the use of philosophy is a vulgar question. It is like asking what is the use of poetry.

    The question is for those who want to bring philosophy down to their own level. The question is for those who hate the finest qualities in themselves and in us. This is the question asked by vandals. They want to vandalise Western culture because they can't understand it.

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