Prayer in school

[figsfiggyfigs]

This isn't 2000; the "that's racist" argument doesn't work anymore. The values of Arabic culture are far inferior to those of the West. There are plenty of Arabs who move to the first world and embrace freedom of expression, rationality, science, and so on, but most don't and cling to their barbaric medieval superstitions. These people should immediately be deported from all western nation states.

LOL. Wait, are you actually saying racism doesn't exist?

There is nowhere to deport them to. Forced sterilization is enough, I think.

So you're arguing for forced sterilization of foreigners who hold beliefs you see as medieval superstition( or anything 'unacceptable' for how you BELIEVE today's society should be)? Wouldn't it be the same as sterilization of anyone of religious or supernatural/superstitious belief?

 

[esidebill]

There is nowhere to deport them to. Forced sterilization is enough, I think.

Why isn't it you who should be forced to be sterilized? What makes YOU better?

 

[Oaky]

There is nowhere to deport them to. Forced sterilization is enough, I think.

HmmHmmmmHmmmm Where do the foundations of your beliefs come from perch?

 

[Perch420]

No, I'm arguing for the deportation of foreigners with barbaric value systems. Domestic citizens with barbaric value systems should be sterilized.

 

[Lark]

"Radical Christianity"? What bullshit. What has Christianity done in the past few hundred years that even remotely rivals the atrocities committed in the name of Islam?

Good point thanks, if you're a radical Christian you dont work on a sunday but if you're a radical muslim you're preparing for a suicidal bombing, there is an objective difference but I think that both need to get to grips with the idea that its about living for rather than dying for their vision or conviction which is important.

I dont really like the radical to moderation axis which a lot of liberal or secular sources because in some causes radicalism and extremism are no vice, including I believe religious devotions, although it shouldnt ever involve the direct coercion of others or control freakery, God does not behave like that, hasnt for a long time so those who do are usurpers, they dont want God they want Godlike power.

 

[Thalassa]

I don't think so, bro. Radical Christians bomb abortion clinics and beat gay people to death. Maybe it's because you're not American, but trust me when I say radical Christians are equally dangerous.

 

[Perch420]

I don't think so, bro. Radical Christians bomb abortion clinics and beat gay people to death. Maybe it's because you're not American, but trust me when I say radical Christians are equally dangerous.

Nauseatingly cretinous tripe.

 

[Oaky]

No, I'm arguing for the deportation of foreigners with barbaric value systems. Domestic citizens with barbaric value systems should be sterilized.

And if the foreigners were born and raised in the western secular society and have most of their values in parallel to that?

 

[Lark]

No, I'm arguing for the deportation of foreigners with barbaric value systems. Domestic citizens with barbaric value systems should be sterilized.

Would that sterilisation would sort that out, its more difficult to prevent the reproduction of terrible creeds than terrible individuals.

The whole deportation thing, I dont know if it'll work, you're just concentrating the nuts some place were they'll mass like the goblins in LOTR or something.

 

[Perch420]

And if the foreigners were born and raised in the western secular society and have most of their values in parallel to that?

Then they don't have barbaric value systems and should neither be deported nor sterilized.

 

[esidebill]

Then they don't have barbaric value systems and should neither be deported nor sterilized.

You should consider being sterilized -_-

 

[Oaky]

Then they don't have barbaric value systems and should neither be deported nor sterilized.

Ah so this is not a race issue for you. I was just clarifying.
So what if they were born with the values of their area but adhere to the western secular value system while they are making their stay there?

 

[INTP]

Yes. Let's shoot everyone.

i knew you would be down with that

 

[lowtech redneck]

I don't think so, bro. Radical Christians bomb abortion clinics and beat gay people to death. Maybe it's because you're not American, but trust me when I say radical Christians are equally dangerous.

:rolli:

In modern times, they are not even remotely as dangerous as radical Muslims; hell, there have been more murders of abortion doctors on Law&Order than there has ever been in real-life America.

Edit: here are some statistics from a quick internet search (obviously, these are both heavily biased sources).

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/history_extreme.asp

http://www.danielpipes.org/5723/which-has-more-islamist-terrorism-europe-or-america

 

[OmarFW]

Mandatory prayer in schools is a blatant forcing of morals onto others.

Unless it's a religiously based school, then I see no problem with it.

 

[rav3n]

As a possible compromise, how about 10 minutes every morning of "thankfulness time"? Everyone would give non-verbal thanks, whether in prayer or not, to who or what they're thankful to or for and the good things in their lives, whether it's simply being thankful for experiencing beautiful bird song on the way to school or the hug received from a friend.

 

[Litvyak]

Nauseatingly cretinous tripe.

Oh the irony.

 

[INTP]

As a possible compromise, how about 10 minutes every morning of "thankfulness time"? Everyone would give non-verbal thanks, whether in prayer or not, to who or what they're thankful to or for and the good things in their lives, whether it's simply being thankful for experiencing beautiful bird song on the way to school or the hug received from a friend.

how about giving the nut cases who force people to pray 30 sec time to run before we start shooting at them?

 

[kyuuei]

i knew you would be down with that

As a possible compromise, how about 10 minutes every morning of "thankfulness time"? Everyone would give non-verbal thanks, whether in prayer or not, to who or what they're thankful to or for and the good things in their lives, whether it's simply being thankful for experiencing beautiful bird song on the way to school or the hug received from a friend.

When I was in school, we had "moments of silence". It was one minute of silence, where no one was allowed to say anything. The problem with it was kids didn't have any respect for this time.. so while some where genuinely trying to pray or be quiet and appreciate the silence in the school, others were talking anyways, and being rowdy and not-giving-a-fuck.

The easiest thing, to me, would be to give 30 minutes or so of 'study time' where students can catch up on homework, go down to designated prayer areas if they wish, seniors could have theirs at the end of the day so they could leave school earlier if they chose.. It just seems to make more sense to me.

 

[INTP]