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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Not to defend his assasination, but are you aware that the apparently much missed Theo van Gogh called Muslims goatfuckers and was well known not only for enciting hatred against Islam but also for his antisemitism?
    I think this will strengthen his argument against the evil that religion does and how people who speak out against it are killed by the infidels.
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    Oh, truth be told, I think when he said "Muslims are goatfuckers" he meant "Arabs are goatfuckers".

    Quite often, what dresses up as the last defense of the besieged West is good old fashioned racism.

    Naturally that comment doesn't justify killing him, but it shows his state of mind and that of many singing his praise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Not to defend his assasination, but are you aware that the apparently much missed Theo van Gogh called Muslims goatfuckers and was well known not only for enciting hatred against Islam but also for his antisemitism?
    What next? Will you be accusing the collegue of Theodoor van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, of enciting hatred against Islam and Jews?

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Dutch member of Parliament, was forced to flee Holland in fear of her life.

    The Fascists are on the streets once again, only this time they are Islamo-Fascists.

    Sophie Scholl stood up to them in 1943 and Ayaan Hirsi Ali stands up to them today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    What next? Will you be accusing the collegue of Theodoor van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, of enciting hatred against Islam and Jews?

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Dutch member of Parliament, was forced to flee Holland in fear of her life.

    The Fascists are on the streets once again, only this time they are Islamo-Fascists.

    Sophie Scholl stood up to them in 1943 and Ayaan Hirsi Ali stands up to them today.
    Fascism is a whole new boulevard Victor :p
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    Are you saying she doesn't encite hatred?

    Also, she didn't "have to flee Holland in fear of her life". She lied on her asylum application and so her Dutch citizenship was withdrawn. That is a common practice in Holland, ironically to protect it from the tidal wave of migration of goatfuckers she and Theo and you complained about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Are you saying she doesn't encite hatred?

    Also, she didn't "have to flee Holland in fear of her life". She lied on her asylum application and so her Dutch citizenship was withdrawn. That is a common practice in Holland, ironically to protect it from the tidal wave of migration of goatfuckers she and Theo and you complained about.
    You seem to be expressing a fin de siècle sentiment - the end of Europe and the end of the Western civilization - thank heavens we still have America and Australia, Sophie and Ayaan.

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    Not at all. On the contrary.

    I think I am the one who has faith in the West and what it stands for while Theo and Ayaan and many like them warn of its imminent death.

    And America is a funny example, considering the power radical Christianity holds in that culture.

    Another difference between us might be that while I identify with the West and its ideals, I have no true sense of belonging to a group that might be under siege and can not at all understand the feeling you described that your mother was under attack. I have no mother, no home and no country in that respect. I am a human being among human beings, prefer to associate with like minded people and don't feel threatened by those who look or act or think differently as long as they don't invade other's right to do the same. i do not see them repressing the West. i do see some repressing their own people, buit that is a whole other chapter and not neccessarily a case for the colonial police.
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    I don't see any harm in religious ed or ethics class. In addition, I believe if you attend private school and know what the expectations are ahead of time, it should not be a shock. However, no one should be *forced* to pray (as in get detention if they don't).

    In essence, it gets to the heart of the question: What is prayer, and what is it for? In my opinion, prayer can be one of two things:

    1. Some kind of community get-together, where you find comradeship among other people who share your belief. You share experience, you share ideas, and you share your communal whatever you want to call it.

    2. You go deep within and meditate, calm your mind, and evaluate where you are going. You take a break from fast-paced life and really see if where you are going jives with your inner self.

    Both are valuable and purposeful for different people, but neither should be forced because they simply cannot be. Either you want to engage in that kind of behavior because it is meaningful to you, or you do not.
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    Hatred is not new to humankind, and will probably always be with us in some form and degree. This is not an excuse for religions that promote it. Every religion has in it fuel for hatred, as well as fuel for compassion and peace. This is because whatever divine inspiration may be contained within, they all bear the imprint of the human followers of those initial "divine souls".

    Religions reflect the times in which they were founded, if they do not evolve over time. Islam is ~700 years newer than Christianity. At a similar age, Christianity was in the throes of the Inquisition, and whatever its current failings, it has certainly evolved since then. It remains to be seen what influence the "cooler heads" within Islam will have on its development.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Not to defend his assasination, but are you aware that the apparently much missed Theo van Gogh called Muslims goatfuckers and was well known not only for enciting hatred against Islam but also for his antisemitism?
    What does this have to do with anything at all? It's not even factually correct; how was van Gogh antisemetic? He made some Holocaust jokes, yes, but that doesn't mean he hates Jews. He was a provocateur who made offensive jokes. Some of those jokes were about Jews.
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