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    Quote Originally Posted by YWIR View Post
    I recently had a discussion with a friend regarding this hot potato, but what do you think of having a mandatory few minutes of prayer in school?
    Personally, I am a supporter of this, if you go to a religious school. I believe we get many of our good morals from religion. This means that if children of atheistic parents have no contact with religion in their formative years there's a very high risk of them growing up to become antisocial individuals with dangerous values,
    Except this isn't true. Morality is a human construct transmitted through culture, friends, family, etc. Religion has tried to hijack the concept of morality, claiming ownership of it, and many gullible people have fallen for it.
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    Atheists have to ask themselves about what is morally right. Believers need only to ask their superiors about what is moral. This teaches atheists empathy and obediance to belivers.
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    If it's a religious school, then I think it's fair to let people pray, I suppose parents purposefully place their children in a religious school because they want them to be influenced by said ideology. Of course I think it shouldn't be istitutionalized in non-religious schools (but again if a kid wants to pray during break time, that's his choice).

    I believe we get many of our good morals from religion.
    The arrow of causation is more likely to flow in the opposite direction, IMHO. Many traditionally religious practices were created out of what humans considered as acceptable / ideal in their society.
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    I wouldn't be opposed to a mandatory allotted period of time in which prayer could be done as long as it's not ever formally acknowledged as anything specifically for prayer. Basically a 5-10 minute period of silence to which anyone can use however they saw fit as long as they weren't disturbing anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YWIR View Post
    I believe we get many of our good morals from religion. This means that if children of atheistic parents have no contact with religion in their formative years there's a very high risk of them growing up to become antisocial individuals with dangerous values,
    And this is exactly this biggest misconception held by most theists that atheism equates to a lack of morality, or in some way morality in a byproduct of religion. It's also the reason there's such a social stigma against publicly proclaiming yourself as atheist or agnostic. If anything, I see someone who developed a sense of morality as a result of being religious as a fraud, being that the structure of religion stems from conformity and compliance based around heavy handed fear tactics as opposed to genuine altruistic motives. The two are in no way synonymous, and history has proved and will continue to prove that time and time again.

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    Lack of enforcing prayer =/= Enforcing lack of prayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
    And this is exactly this biggest misconception held by most theists that atheism equates to a lack of morality, or in some way morality in a byproduct of religion. It's also the reason there's such a social stigma against publicly proclaiming yourself as atheist or agnostic. If anything, I see someone who developed a sense of morality as a result of being religious as a fraud, being that the structure of religion stems from conformity and compliance based around heavy handed fear tactics as opposed to genuine altruistic motives. The two are in no way synonymous, and history has proved and will continue to prove that time and time again.
    It's also the reason why the religious authorities who hold such misconceptions enforce prayer. If giving children the freedom to choose how they spend their moments of silence compromises their moral integrity in the eyes of their religion, then any child who doesn't pray is seen as a threat to their homogeneous atmosphere. If the homogeneous atmosphere is thought to be judged by a higher authority such as the Judeo-Christian god, then the issue is no longer seen as a simple personal dispute between the fundies and those who opt out of prayer, but an unearthly "Good vs Evil" battle in which the Christians must win in the eyes of God, rather than respect others as they would want to respected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
    I wouldn't be opposed to a mandatory allotted period of time in which prayer could be done as long as it's not ever formally acknowledged as anything specifically for prayer. Basically a 5-10 minute period of silence to which anyone can use however they saw fit as long as they weren't disturbing anyone else.
    We do have that already. It's called "study hall" (and/or lunch/recess).
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    They should have a prayer room in every school for those who WANT to pray.

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    Can of worms, YW. Should there also be a navel-gazing room? Or an imagination room? How about a drop your pants room?

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