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    Jenaphor and others: The veil brings you closer to God because wearing it is less comfortable than not doing so. The more uncomfortable women are in this life, the more we will be rewarded in the afterlife. At least that's how I have interpreted the Qur'an. To put it in Christian terms, the veil is like a chronic ailment received in the Crusades: A symbol of your worship.

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    How would you explain that to a rational enlightend empirical modern thinker ? (who is college libertarian )
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    Quote Originally Posted by YWIR View Post
    What stance do you have on the hijab? Personally, I've grown up without wearing one, but now I'm in my early twenties and I guess something spritiual is stirring inside of me. As a result I'm very much considering adopting the tradition in order to get closer to God than a woman would be able to without the veil. I'm starting to believe only ignorant people would be against it, and the recent French law prohibiting the veil is absolutely ridiculous..
    My stance is: Do what you want. It's your life.

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    I think we are foolish to argue for or against the wearing of the hijab, rather we should be arguing about what the hijab represents, for the hijab represents a violent, totalitarian political religion.

    It is expanding and teaches hatred of Jews, Dhimmi and infidels.

    The hijab is not just a veil, it is a flag. And women are the flagpole. And we should be asking, what does it flag?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Because men aren't required to cover thier faces or bodies for modesty.
    Islam prescribes a more conservative minimum dress code for both men and women. In Islam, both men and women are expected to dress simply, modestly, and with dignity. A man must always be covered in loose and unrevealing clothing from his navel to his knee. This is the absolute minimum covering required. He must never, for example, go out in public wearing a short bathing suit.

    http://www.almasjid.com/content/islamic_dress_code
    So yeah.....it's not like men get a free pass to dress however they please either. IIRC, men are also required to cover their heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    I agree...too bad its true, at least according to a huge percentage of Muslims (such as 84-85% of the Muslims in Egypt and Jordan!).

    I don't particularly care about the hijab in itself, though; it correlates with illiberal interpretations of Islam, but is not directly problematic when worn voluntarily. I care about beliefs, not clothing.

    Edit: I think that increasing identification with the hijab/niqab by Western and/or secular Muslim women is much like my affinity for the Confederate battle flag; a means of defiantly expressing cultural identity in the face of prejiduce, and an attempt to 'take back' a cultural symbol while others attempt to define it for me.
    I was going to attack your post but the edit provides an interesting context to it.

    Still, this isnt Egypt or Jordan its typoC so instead of telling people that their choices are illiberal/sharia or some other synymon for "wrong" or "evil" wouldnt it be a useful opportunity to open a dialogue with some questions? Otherwise what's the point of even posting?

    Its a little like Victor's "Got Christianity? Well you're an obviously evil child molestor" threads and posts, what is the point of it even? Its not going to persuade or enlighten anyone as to anything, it is instead the "discussion" equivalent of "come and a have a go if you think you're hard enough".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    It mostly reflects the importance of modesty in religious observance. You see this in Judaism and Christianity too, and for that matter many other religious traditions.
    This is one topic that I'm not even entirely decided upon myself, I've considered seriously that the error is not in being uncovered (not least as it is possible to be clothed and dress sexually enticing and suggestively) but the social context. If you are to consider most of the classical or rennaisance art and sculpture it is all immodest yet I would not consider it indecent or pornographic, would modesty mandate that it all be covered with sheets or destroyed out of hand?

    It is a difficult topic because a lot of the time what I consider legitimate arguments or points are perverted, exploited or distorted to serve immoral or deviant ends. Mind you a lot of modern indecency does away beyond nakedness or exposure, there's a lot of ill shit power and violence in the mix too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I have grown up with turkish woman wearing a hijab in my neighbourhood. See them in supermarkets and everywhere in my daily life. It's pretty normal for me and I respect it, if they really want to do it.

    My inner self tho finds it awful, like my innerself finds everything awful ny kind of religion has come up with
    My inner self wants to beat up your inner self

    That's a bit of a gross generalisation. There are secular style statements which are worse than veils, the cradle of filth t-shirt with "Jesus is a C**t" and a masturbating nun for instance, that's all kinds of wrong right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    What makes you think modesty only pertains to women?
    Because men are not sexy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    How would you explain that to a rational enlightend empirical modern thinker ? (who is college libertarian )
    You wouldnt have to because fortunately a "rational, enlightened empirical modern thinker who is college libertarian" is an oxymoron and only exists in fair tales by the witch Ayn Rand.

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