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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    genetics, popular suggestion, who knows... besides my point. not everyone has the ability (or should) try to gauge what is really right and wrong in a given situation, the general approach that morals offer is the best solution for most people since it doesnt require critical thinking.

    correct me if im wrong, but what youre saying is that internally determined values are the final word when it comes to right and wrong, and not what is deemed "ok" by society?

    what i am asking is... do we really know where this internal sense of right and wrong comes from?


    to me, the concept of "morals" is needed for people who are unable to think rationally and independently on a case-by-case basis (most people). most "morals" happen to be synonymous with what makes sense in the bigger picture, but are too general to be perfect in every situation.
    There is a difference between morals and ethics, will give a more indepth response in a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    nemo

    You took the words right out of my, er, hands?

    I was sooooooo close to posting that, but chose to be "ladylike" instead, lol.

    One more question. Would it be moral to have more than one account on this site? I'm just curious because that seems to be a much more indicative test of a person's morality. If you could intentionally be deceptive and get away with it, would you?

    Anyways, I think the whole "inherent moral compass" thing is quite obviously false.
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    Grayscale you are talking about "Speciesism"

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    Speciesism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    One more question. Would it be moral to have more than one account on this site? I'm just curious because that seems to be a much more indicative test of a person's morality. If you could intentionally be deceptive and get away with it, would you?

    Anyways, I think the whole "inherent moral compass" thing is quite obviously false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    most people dont bat an eye at sanctioned over-hunting of species that upset the ecosystem. that seems a lot like genocide... but it's other animals, so it's ok.

    where's "morality" there? there isnt any, because morality is just a very generic approach derived from de-facto logic, and what's logical to us is to facilitate the survival of our species.
    But is eradicating another species facilitating the survival of ours? Is upsetting the eco-system a good survival plan for the human race?

    Both logically and morally, I personally don't think so.

    Not sure this is completely on-topic for this thread, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
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    What?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6sticks View Post
    I believe there's nothing after this life so I intend to make this life as good as possible for myself and others.
    I too, am a moral atheist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    What?
    'Twas an F moment, forgive me please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering View Post
    But is eradicating another species facilitating the survival of ours? Is upsetting the eco-system a good survival plan for the human race?

    Both logically and morally, I personally don't think so.

    Not sure this is completely on-topic for this thread, though.
    the point is often not to eradicate an entire species. another example: we kill vast amounts of other animals to expand our footprint. we might kill off a lot of a species to reinstate some sort of balance in the ecosystem because it makes us feel all good inside. it's all about us, because our species is all that matters to us in the end. id bet you'd have a hard time finding an animal-rights activist who would give the life of another human (or more appropriately, themself) to save an animal.


    "speciesism" as CC pointed out supports my point that "morals" are just a general approach derived from de-facto logic, perpetuated by society, genetics, etc.

    the ones that remain relatively unchanged throughout human existence are still around because they work for us in the grand scheme.


    it's important to realize, because... one-size-fits-all logic is extremely rare. why do you think it is so easy for people to come up with examples where conventional morality falls apart? i'll repeat myself: the general approach that morals offer is the best solution for most people since it doesnt require critical thinking... works in the grand scheme, but it's a static approach that isnt perfect for everything.

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    I think human beings should interact/interfere intelligently with nature.

    Nature doesn't give a shit about us.

    *We* give a shit about us.

    We should therefore act in ways that will benefit us as a species.
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