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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Yes, a human life is *worth* more than an unpayed debt of 1000 dollars. The druggist can be payed back later, however her life must be saved now, or never.
    It seems you have one step to go according to Kohlberg. You ignored the fact that other people may need the medicine and their lives are just as significant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    No, the problem is that *some* people are born with a less, or an entirely lacking, moral compass.
    How would you know that?

    More importantly: do you assume this to be the case of everyone who happens to strongly disagree with you on morality? Like for example, do you think every moral relativist lacks such a moral compass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    It seems you have one step to go according to Kohlberg. You ignored the fact that other people may need the medicine and their lives are just as significant.
    Uh, um, well, *a* human life implicitly means *everybody*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Uh, um, well, *a* human life implicitly means *everybody*.
    So let's say he steals the medicine and as a result, a little girl, whose father could have paid the price for the medicine, will not get the medicine and will die. Was it moral of him to value his wife's life over the lives of those who could pay for the medicine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering View Post
    No it's not. So there: we have both expressed our opinions. Now what?
    Nothing, cause this is the internet. I just figured the anti-genocide position needed a voice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering View Post
    So for you morality is a matter of ends: what matters in a set of morals is what it produces in the end. Am I right?
    Yeah. As in Yojimbo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering View Post
    I think differently. For me, what matters is how close to the universal truth (because I believe in such a thing) a set of morals is. Consequences should be monitored, but they should not determine the acceptability or lack thereof of a set of morals.
    I believe there's nothing after this life so I intend to make this life as good as possible for myself and others.
    No offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    It seems you have one step to go according to Kohlberg. You ignored the fact that other people may need the medicine and their lives are just as significant.
    That's very misleading. Lawrence Kohlberg didn't care what the answer was, just the argument. Saving the wife's life could still get you to the last "step".

    Also, fuck Kohlberg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemo View Post
    That's very misleading. Lawrence Kohlberg didn't care what the answer was, just the argument. Saving the wife's life could still get you to the last "step".

    Also, fuck Kohlberg.

    Yes, I took psych 101 too.
    He makes a lot more sense than an inborn "moral compass". I wonder if feral children have morals.

    It's socialization that breeds morals, not biology or some spiritual force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6sticks View Post
    I just figured the anti-genocide position needed a voice.
    This is an unneeded jibe. Nobody on this thread supported a pro-genocide position.

    Yeah. As in Yojimbo.
    Never saw it, sorry.

    I believe there's nothing after this life so I intend to make this life as good as possible for myself and others.
    That's a position I understand. But I do not share it. Do you think it is wrong of me not to share it?

    Edit: actually, I share the second half of it, it's just my motivation that's different. And obviously, we don't agree on what "making this life as good as possible for ourselves and others" might entail

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemo View Post
    Also, fuck Kohlberg.
    nemo

    You took the words right out of my, er, hands?

    I was sooooooo close to posting that, but chose to be "ladylike" instead, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering View Post
    Nobody on this thread supported a pro-genocide position.
    most people dont bat an eye at sanctioned over-hunting of species that upset the ecosystem. that seems a lot like genocide... but it's other animals, so it's ok.

    where's "morality" there? there isnt any, because morality is just a very generic approach derived from de-facto logic, and what's logical to us is to facilitate the survival of our species.

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