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    Cultural relativism- the ability to view the beliefs and customs of other peoples within the context of their culture rather than one's own.

    Human beings innately have rights.

    i.e. children have certain rights, women have certain rights, elderly people have certain rights, regardless of their circumstantially allotted "cultural" background.

    It is morally wrong to intentionally hurt another person and infringe on their individual rights.
    None of these ideas existed before the Enlightenment.

    The nazi's were wrong.
    The Nazis believed they were fighting for their survival. At that time it was believed the "Jewish race" controlled everything and the best and brightest were leaving to live in America. To protect the genetic purity of the German people, they felt they had to go to war and eradicate threats to the bloodline.

    slavery is wrong.
    Slavery was practiced for centuries within countless lands. Not until the Enlightenment did people develop ideas that it might be wrong.

    rape is wrong.
    Rape was an expected part of marriage in many ancient countries.

    murder is wrong.
    If I go to war and kill the enemy then I am a hero. If I am at home and I kill one of my enemies then I am a murderer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Everything is right and everything is wrong, depending on the point of view.

    And why is the death penalty wrong? Whatever happened to "an eye for an eye?"
    Uber, if you kill my mother, it is then *right* for me to kill yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Cultural relativism- the ability to view the beliefs and customs of other peoples within the context of their culture rather than one's own.



    None of these ideas existed before the Enlightenment.



    The Nazis believed they were fighting for their survival. At that time it was believed the "Jewish race" controlled everything and the best and brightest were leaving to live in America. To protect the genetic purity of the German people, they felt they had to go to war and eradicate threats to the bloodline.



    Slavery was practiced for centuries within countless lands. Not until the Enlightenment did people develop ideas that it might be wrong.



    Rape was an expected part of marriage in many ancient countries.



    If I go to war and kill the enemy then I am a hero. If I am at home and I kill one of my enemies then I am a murderer.
    Uh, human beings have a nasty historical record, your point?

    Something isn't moral because it is practical, or fashionable, or widely accepted.

    no

    no

    no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Uber, if you kill my mother, it is then *right* for me to kill yours?
    I think it would be right of you to kill me. But to equalize suffering, then yes, you do have a right to kill mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Truth itself makes it true.
    But none of us has official access to truth. So how is anyone supposed to know who holds the "truest" opinion? Everyone believes their own opinion is the one best approximating, or even equalling, truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemo View Post
    An eye for an eye and the world goes blind.
    That analogy never made sense to me. I have no idea what it means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Something isn't moral because it is practical, or fashionable, or widely accepted.
    True. But something isn't immoral just because you, one human being, happen to disagree with it, either

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    Moral relativists are cowards. Culture is always secondary to human life. Regardless of where it happens, genocide is wrong. I have no respect for anyone who denies this.
    No offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Uh, human beings have a nasty historical record, your point?

    Something isn't moral because it is practical, or fashionable, or widely accepted.

    no

    no

    no.
    My point was within the context of a culture or situation, the crimes that have been committed change considerably.

    If I kill to protect myself, then that is self defense. From the Nazi perspective, they were killing to protect themselves.

    If I go to war and kill the enemy then I am a hero. If I am at home and I kill one of my enemies then I am a murderer.

    And at the same time, if an idea does not exist beforehand, how could it be said the actions were wrong beforehand.

    Slavery and rape existed in cultures long before the conception of "innate individual rights".

    Morality is also subjective to the situation.

    If a man was unfairly put in a situation for which he could not feed his family, would it be wrong for him to steal to feed his family?
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