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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Fine...here goes.

    A moral relativist views "culture" as the deciding factor in regards to what's considered moral, or amoral.

    If a certain culture deems female mutilation/subjugation as A-ok, then it is.
    No. It just means that female subjugation is an accepted practice in that culture. Can you deny that?

    To say it's "ok" without saying who it's okay TO, is exactly what moral relativists are trying to avoid.

    Wrong.

    Human beings innately have rights.

    i.e. children have certain rights, women have certain rights, elderly people have certain rights, regardless of their circumstantially allotted "cultural" background.

    It is morally wrong to intentionally hurt another person and infringe on their individual rights.

    The nazi's were wrong.

    slavery is wrong.

    rape is wrong.

    murder is wrong.

    No if ands or buts.
    That sounds like a pretty open attitude.

    Human being innately have rights? Prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering View Post
    Says who?
    Says me, a *fellow* human being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Damn you Edahn!!!!

    x_x

    Yet another thread started for me, by you (pl)!!!!!


    ^As in mods.
    Dude, it's not my fault you can't stay on topic.

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    A criminal who is a *proven* threat to society, is temporarily, or permanently, relinquished of his rights because he *infringes* on other people's rights.

    AND THE DEATH PENALTY IS WRONG.

    We all have these moral rights, and we all need to play by these ethical rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Of course one needs to judge someone on what their moral beliefs are!!!

    If a person believes that all Indian people are inferior and therefore unworthy of standard human rights, that person *should* be judged as an ignorant asshole.
    Eh. I've worked out two of my values as a result of this thread.

    1) I value true objectivity and understanding why people do what they do. This is a core value. (I've worked this out from my reaction to your posts in this thread)

    2) My beliefs and values are for me and me alone. My natural tendency is to judge others (see CC's post I've quoted) but another part of me deeply dislikes judging others in that way. The long term goal is to be compassionate to all others in my mind. I've had glimpses of it. That's where I want to be long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Says me, a *fellow* human being.
    OK. But there are other fellow human beings who say otherwise. What makes your opinion more valuable, more "true", than theirs?

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    Okay, here's one: Which is more right? Christianity or Islam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering View Post
    OK. But there are other fellow human beings who say otherwise. What makes your opinion more valuable, more "true", than theirs?
    Truth itself makes it true.

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    Everything is right and everything is wrong, depending on the point of view.

    And why is the death penalty wrong? Whatever happened to "an eye for an eye?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluebell View Post
    Eh. I've worked out two of my values as a result of this thread.

    1) I value true objectivity and understanding why people do what they do. This is a core value. (I've worked this out from my reaction to your posts in this thread)

    2) My beliefs and values are for me and me alone. My natural tendency is to judge others (see CC's post I've quoted) but another part of me deeply dislikes judging others in that way. The long term goal is to be compassionate to all others in my mind. I've had glimpses of it. That's where I want to be long term.
    Understanding *why* people do what they do hasn't a thing to do with understanding/realizing *what* they both *do* and *should* do.
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