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    `~~Philosoflying~~` SillySapienne's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
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    First people (hate) CC, then they hump Edahn, then they love Edahn -- head is spinning.
    Shhhhhh, he didn't know about that one.

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    'Cause you can't handle me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    It's a sign of moral maturity, to me, to be able to simultaneously hold strong personal morals and recognize that you are but one human being among billions, coming from a specific place and time,. People in the West in five hundred years will consider some things barbaric that we see as very mundane.


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    "A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it." - David Stevens

    "That that is, is. That that is not, is not. Is that it? It is."

    Veritatem dies aperit

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    CC. Do you realize that you are agreeing with a moral relativist?
    The one who buggers a fire burns his penis
    -anonymous graffiti in the basilica at Pompeii

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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


    Oh well,
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    "A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it." - David Stevens

    "That that is, is. That that is not, is not. Is that it? It is."

    Veritatem dies aperit

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    Intelligentle sparkles

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    Yay! Thread over! CC has been converted!
    Quote Originally Posted by Silently Honest View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Yay! Thread over! CC has converted all the moral relativists!
    Agreed,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    That analogy never made sense to me. I have no idea what it means.
    That's because it's not an analogy. If you poke someone's eye out, and they poke yours out, now, you've got to poke their out. Then they've got to poke your other out.

    Then someone else come in with their bombs to defend you and...

    ...oh wait. It is an analogy.
    we fukin won boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Agreed, I am now a moral relativist and Kiddo is uber sexy and cute.
    Well I'm just happy you see it my way.
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    Question answered!

    It's too bad the absolutists can't see that nature doesn't come pre-equipped with moral values. Events are just events. Those judgments we form are dependent on the norms we're surrounded with and the values we create, but they're not inherent to nature themselves; they're projected outward.

    Here's a koan covering the same topic:

    A monk sat with his three students. He took out his fan and placed it in front of him, saying, http://www.dargate.com/237_auction/237_images/3373.jpg (lol @ copying text off webpages)
    "Without calling it a fan, tell me what this is."
    The first said, "You couldn't call it a slop-bucket."
    The master poked him with his stick.
    The second picked up the fan and fanned himself. He too was rewarded with the stick.
    The third opened the fan, laid a piece of cake on it, and served it to his teacher. The teacher said, "Eat your cake."

    Labels and identities are all projected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    Question answered!

    It's too bad the absolutists can't see that nature doesn't come pre-equipped with moral values. Events are just events. Those judgments we form are dependent on the norms we're surrounded with and the values we create, but they're not inherent to nature themselves; they're projected outward.

    Here's a koan covering the same topic:

    A monk sat with his three students. He took out his fan and placed it in front of him, saying, http://www.dargate.com/237_auction/237_images/3373.jpg (lol @ copying text off webpages)
    "Without calling it a fan, tell me what this is."
    The first said, "You couldn't call it a slop-bucket."
    The master poked him with his stick.
    The second picked up the fan and fanned himself. He too was rewarded with the stick.
    The third opened the fan, laid a piece of cake on it, and served it to his teacher. The teacher said, "Eat your cake."

    Labels and identities are all projected.
    Probably true... values and projections all *seem* to depend on the upbringing and social conditioning. There might be some labels and identities that are physically inherent. Some stuff we are born with whether we like it or not. A good example is probably aesthetics following the golden ratio. it seems universal in culture, and is based on a ratio massively present throughout nature. So, maybe, this is an example of an inherent value of "pleasing to behold". I know.. isn't a moral.. I'm just chucking it in the mix*

    *damned spacey NPs

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