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    Many people go to church with their extended families on holidays. It's a means of tradition and togetherness.

    I'm not a religious person, but my family celebrates religious holidays. Of course I participate with them... it's not because I necessarily believe in the religion, but I like coming together to socialize with everyone. It's all in good fun.

    And the food we have when we're together is always a plus. I'm stuffed from Easter dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignite View Post
    What's the point? You won't earn your salvation going to church two days out of the year... How do people justify this and not feel like a complete tool?
    Is this not part of what Protestantism is about: that you do not need a church to meet up with Jesus and his dad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I dont get annoyed about peoples personal beliefs these days when they arent interfering with me living my life, I have marked and see these sorts of sentiments expressed by athiests more and more though. With respect its one of the less endearing things about the new athiesm...

    This isnt anything to do with an athiestic envy of religious traditions or holidays?
    You're dismissing out of hand all the Christians who get annoyed by this as well. I don't think OP nor I are deeply irked by this, but we find it insincere. Of course, it is possible to be a "good Christian" and only go to church once or twice a year. I do not have a personal problem with people that do this, and not to speak on his behalf, but I doubt OP does either. The idea of it is silly to me, though.

    One of the least endearing things about religious people, Christians in particular, is all the half-hearted ones you see. This goes back to my initial point about a debasing lack of sincerity: most Christians behave almost identically to most atheists. In fact, I'd dare say that many atheists are more scrupulous in their moral calibrations (divine command theory is a crock, the idea of sin is repulsive to the field of ethics) and have fewer vices. This is the bigger issue at hand: just how Christian is any given Christian?

    Most people do not choose to believe in God or follow a religion. It is indoctrinated from youth, the dogma is accepted, and the creed has been wilted upon their souls evermore. Now, the religion is passed on to their children. Rinse, wash, repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignite View Post
    You never see that here, in one of the most atheistic/anti-religious cities in the country.
    Sounds like a great place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeZero View Post
    You're dismissing out of hand all the Christians who get annoyed by this as well.
    No. No I dont. Thank you for asking what my opinion was rather than telling me what it was. Wait....

    One of the least endearing things about religious people, Christians in particular, is all the half-hearted ones you see.
    Really? I would not have thought an athiest or anti-Christian would think so.

    This goes back to my initial point about a debasing lack of sincerity: most Christians behave almost identically to most atheists. In fact, I'd dare say that many atheists are more scrupulous in their moral calibrations (divine command theory is a crock, the idea of sin is repulsive to the field of ethics) and have fewer vices. This is the bigger issue at hand: just how Christian is any given Christian?
    Properly understood the concept for sin is a great one and this age has suffered for the lack of one. I dont concur with your valourisation of athiests and villification of Christians. However, I dont consider the measure of either atheism or Christianity to be mere morality.

    Most people do not choose to believe in God or follow a religion. It is indoctrinated from youth, the dogma is accepted, and the creed has been wilted upon their souls evermore. Now, the religion is passed on to their children. Rinse, wash, repeat.
    No. No its not. Although this is a belief of many athiests. One of its principle dogmas, others are ignorant, particularly those from earlier times. It seems very conceited to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Is this not part of what Protestantism is about: that you do not need a church to meet up with Jesus and his dad?
    Perhaps, but maintaining the structure of the church adds to its longevity. Just look at the Catholics. It could have once been an ideal of Protestantism to go without the church, but I don't think many Protestants would really advise a follower to stop going to church. It's strategic, spend more time around a belief and it can grow stronger, you might feel more strongly about it one way or another. So you could go off in a new direction, but not as many people would still be following you, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Is this not part of what Protestantism is about: that you do not need a church to meet up with Jesus and his dad?
    Actually Protestant churches put more emphasis on the communal gathering aspect of services far more than Catholics do.

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    There is more, much more, to Christianity than church attendence, there is much of what have been written about religion and religious obeservance within this thread which betrays a facile and facetious conception of religion.

    For instance attending church, why is it important in the first place? It is first and foremost a symbolic tradition, a means, among others, of transmitting knowledge and the learning of one generation to the next. It may or may not serve as a spring board to spiritual experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignite View Post
    You won't earn your salvation going to church two days out of the year...
    LOL
    Maybe it's not about 'salvation', maybe its about socialisation?
    By the way, I'm not convinced that going to church is a mandatory obligation of the Christian religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeZero View Post
    You're dismissing out of hand all the Christians who get annoyed by this as well. I don't think OP nor I are deeply irked by this, but we find it insincere. Of course, it is possible to be a "good Christian" and only go to church once or twice a year. I do not have a personal problem with people that do this, and not to speak on his behalf, but I doubt OP does either. The idea of it is silly to me, though.

    One of the least endearing things about religious people, Christians in particular, is all the half-hearted ones you see. This goes back to my initial point about a debasing lack of sincerity: most Christians behave almost identically to most atheists. In fact, I'd dare say that many atheists are more scrupulous in their moral calibrations (divine command theory is a crock, the idea of sin is repulsive to the field of ethics) and have fewer vices. This is the bigger issue at hand: just how Christian is any given Christian?

    Most people do not choose to believe in God or follow a religion. It is indoctrinated from youth, the dogma is accepted, and the creed has been wilted upon their souls evermore. Now, the religion is passed on to their children. Rinse, wash, repeat.
    The less sincere people are about it, the better. I could care less about their hypocrisy as long as they don't go raising their children like those fucking people from Jesus Camp (not that most do, yada, yada.) The less seriously it's taken in day-to-day matters, the better it is for society as a whole.
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