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  1. #31
    meinmeinmein! mmhmm's Avatar
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    i tell lies everyday. can't help it.
    i can sleep twice a day.
    every normal man must be tempted, at times,
    to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
    and begin slitting throats.
    h.l. mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
    Personally, I think it's all dependent on the context of the lie and circumstance rather than being able to make an absolute ruling on the matter.
    This.

    Quote Originally Posted by YWIR View Post
    What do you think of the act of "lying"?
    It depends on the context.

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    What would you consider a white/black lie.
    Why should lies be white/black?
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    is it necessary for survival?
    It depends on the context.
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    Do you find lying cowardly?
    It depends on the context.
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    Are there benefits to lying?
    It depends on the context.

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    Does anyone firmly believe in the saying that " The Truth Will Set You Free" ?
    No. And besides...even when someone says yes, they will probably interpret it in a different way. Even though we see one sentence, we understand it in different ways. What is "the truth", and what is "freedom"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    When is lying beneficial to all parties involved?

    In my experience, the truth always comes out sooner or later. The sooner it does, the less time is wasted.
    Let's say someone is nagging you to get some task done right now, they way they think it should be done. An example that comes to mind being a college student living with my parents is if one of my parents knows I have some project/ paper to work on but I'm doing something else. I may know full well that I can get the assigment done with plenty of time left before the due date and be doing something more fun at the moment, so I lie. There's no harm done on my (or any given student's) part- and the parent stops worrying.

    This is probably the lamest/ least creative example of this ever, but it works.

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    Lying is not something I'm fond of, but it can buy time in a critical situation for a good cause. The old extreme example is the man threatening you at gun point to tell you the location of someone they intend to murder.
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    The murderer at the door allegory is only really a viable solution when you have a god or supernatural being that can save you/your friend's skin. A better, real-life example of the murderer at the door scenario would be: Would you lie to a Nazi during WWII about harboring Jews in your home?
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    Lying is wrong in all forms, but the severity depends on the particular instance. I wouldn't ever say it's right to do, but sometimes necessary... Maintaining good status in a relationship is sometimes a better alternative to telling someone that they do indeed suck at something, or that they look ugly. I view lying in any form as cowardice, and I am most certainly a coward. I just prefer to be a lesser coward.

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    With what I do as an occupation, I have to deal with clients daily. Some of their employees aren't very bright or are so self-protectionist (which includes job, dept, old ways of doing things, etc.) that it's not funny. So sometimes the truth would be "you're a fucking idiot, get your head out of your ass, no I will not amend this document to consider the 0.1% whereby the 99.9% have already been considered". What I say to them is more along the lines of "you might want to discuss this with your [insert superior who can slap them upside the head] to see if they can help you with your concerns".

    So some might consider this lying by omission, where others will consider it tactful.

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    I thinky lying is bad, most of the time. Withholding truth is pretty much necessary... And little white lies in relationships.
    If you told someone everything you were thinking, or if they ask you if they look fat in something... Yeah, well, if something would hurt something that is important to you, white lies are necessary.
    But I don't think that lying should be done by the rulers of state, regarding state business.

    Mightier than the tread of marching armies is the power of an idea whose time has come

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    The murderer at the door allegory is only really a viable solution when you have a god or supernatural being that can save you/your friend's skin.
    ...why?
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    There's a hierarchy of morals, and telling the truth definitely isn't the most important one. Maximizing your ethical output should be the goal.

    In other words, tell the truth unless there's a different option that would increase ethical output.

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