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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    Singapore, at least that's what several international investors say on their forums
    PS: capitalism doesn't work like this because the legal system does not support it. you do have to make the bolded list illegal after all (which is more complicated than it sounds, but 1/100th as complicated as our own legal system in america.
    Singapore what? Do you mean the country or a company? I asked if you knew a multinational or huge corp which actually employs these idealistic rules that you mention. I don't know of a co. called Singapore so you'll have to link me to a page. If you just mean how capitalism works in Singapore i call bs.
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    I remember watching a special report on TV about Singapore... From what I gathered, it's a prosperous country overall, but immigrants have it real tough - they live in almost slave-like conditions, earning about 20 dollars a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    Singapore what? Do you mean the country or a company? I asked if you knew a multinational or huge corp which actually employs these idealistic rules that you mention. I don't know of a co. called Singapore so you'll have to link me to a page. If you just mean how capitalism works in Singapore i call bs.
    http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/ouco...&section=1.4.2
    as I have stated previously, I am opposed to corporations and believe them to be a breach of proper capitalism. please do not equate capitalism with corporations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    as I have stated previously, I am opposed to corporations and believe them to be a breach of proper capitalism. please do not equate capitalism with corporations.
    Money is power. If there's no government controls, how do you prevent corporations from getting too big and powerful? Isn't mega-corps the natural consequence of unrestricted capitalism? Collusion can be more profitable than competition. I see no natural mechanism to keep them honest.

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    I used to kife the occasional thing if I could rationalize it.

    I gave it up... don't do that any more. I didn't like the effect it had on the people I stole from (even pens, even from work), but also I didn't like the effect it had on me.

    Better to buy your own pens and sleep at night.

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    Morally, the situation is very complex, but it must follow by my philosophy that there are times when stealing is right. Surely there are situations when the person who steals is helped more than the person who's stolen from is hurt, particularly when a thief has few or no feasible alternatives to address a desperate situation.
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    Wait... I'm confused about morally justifying stealing from corps. If you steal from a corp.. don't they usually just raise prices to offset losses? So in effect your stealing from your fellow consumers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley3112 View Post
    Wait... I'm confused about morally justifying stealing from corps. If you steal from a corp.. don't they usually just raise prices to offset losses? So in effect your stealing from your fellow consumers?
    They can do a lot of things that make regular consumers suffer.

    In theory, though, if a large enough percentage of would-be consumers steal, the corporation is fucked, and that's what I see happening with digital theft (piracy) and intellectual property. It's a losing battle. The businesses effected will have to capitulate eventually. The end result will probably be something better for consumers than what existed before. In the mean time, pirates (who are more common and normal every day) take no skin off of their backs. In a sense, but causing the corporations to respond in ways that hurts regular consumers, they are encouraging those consumers to become pirates too, thus accelerating the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Morally, the situation is very complex.
    No it's not. Stealing is always evil. The only mitigating factor is when doing so prevents a worse evil, such as starving.

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    It is important to distinguish between the legal and moral definition of stealing. They are not the same.

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