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    What's your view of the hero?

    I was reading about Fighting Fantasy books lately, I loved them growing up and probably owe learning to read to the genre, anyway, I bought some of the horror and weird fiction varies of the series second hand lately and was reading what the authors themselves had thought about writing them.

    There's one of them Prisoners of the Abyss which features a strange cosmic horror in which people are stole away and imprisoned in a sort of phantom zone. The main author of this book had planned to conclude it with you releasing the prisoners, liberating them but forfeiting your life in the process. He described in the interview about how the other main writer in the series objected, he suggested that when the hero triumphs they get the gold and treasure and maybe get made king or something. In the end they compromised, the hero's life was forfeit but the got God like powers in return.

    He described how he wanted to take the novels in a "eastern" direction, I'm not sure if it was middle eastern or oriental but it was clear that he saw heroes as self-sacrificing.

    What's your view of the hero? Does it resemble one or the other view or is it something different altogether.

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    I take a Japanese spin to the hero. I remember reading a book in my early 20's called "The Nobility of Failure:Tragic Heroes in the History of Japan". It's resonated with me ever since. The notion that the Hero dies striving to achieve their goal, making a stand for a cause and falling in battle. Beautiful stuff...though not the traditional western hero of good guy wins, bad guy loses.

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    I have always related more to anti-heroes. Traditional heroes -- whether they forfeit their lives or gain riches and power in the end -- often seem rather two-dimensional.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Blessed is the country that doesn't need heroes.

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    “I like and fully admire (Martin Luther King Jr.) this man and as well his remarkable passion. His very convictions which set him apart from the norm of what it means to be human for he could conceptualize certain and indefinable truths residing in each heart of man, but not accessible. King, as a man delineated what we all in our spirit realize as the truth. We lack courage to indeed see inside of us and grow. He had this remarkable courage.” LightSun

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    Hello here - long time, no post . . .
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Spiderman....

    I like the idea of saving people secretly and receiving no recognition for it, of being the unsung hero. I find that incredibly valiant and sexy: a true hero who sacrifices themselves in service to others with no selfish rewards.
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    Funny this comes up because I caught the movie "Passion of the Christ" on TV the other day. Jesus was the ultimate hero and he died for his people.

    I totally heroes but I don't know if they always need to die for me to appreciate them. When they die I do think sacrificing their life is the ultimate but it's also kind of sad. Like why did the one great person have to die? We don't want to see them go. On the other hand, I can see how the heroes image can easily become tainted if he were to remain alive and people watched him after his heroic deeds have been done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    I can see how the heroes image can easily become tainted if he were to remain alive and people watched him after his heroic deeds have been done.
    Yes. A hero needs to die or disappear after the heroic deed. Otherwise you will have a tv-crew going through their life and apartment, and people will see this is just a normal person. This is true for villains as well. You can't have the bad guy locked up in prison and slowly withering away. See George W Bush and Bin Laden. Bush has disappeared somewhere but not enough (I know I could find about what he is doing if I wanted). Bin Laden was (supposedly) killed. Here you have a story with a true villain but without a true hero. And there's something about it that just wouldn't make a good hero movie. It would make a nice drama, though.

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    Cool thread idea. For me a real hero doesn't necessarily die but always has to permanently sacrifice part of themself, i.e, SOME PART of them has to die, regardless of whether they succeed or fail. When it's over they always fade away or leave or change their mind or get incapacitated somehow. Or actually die, like in classical tragedy. I think it has to be that way to be truthful because it reflects what it's like in life when you achieve something: it's awesome at first, people congratulate you etc., but then you move on, the feeling fades & you either get bored again or start to doubt the value of what you've done, so then you're looking for something new to do.

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