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    I used to get into some of this stuff. Even von Daniken is kind of entertaining.. even though he's a kook. At the very least, it's a fun angle for fiction. This was the direction the earliest fantasy writers kind of went with (like Tolkien and Howard), where, unlike D&D, which has newly invented worlds, their stories were about prehistory. That's more intriguing and magical to me. What if our existing civilizations are just rebuilt versions of the old ones, with only a slight resemblance? What if the world was full of knowledge at one point, but all went up in flames like the library of Alexandria? Except, in this case, the library of Alexandria was the whole world. "Know, oh prince, that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the years of the rise of the Sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars -- Nemedia, Ophir, Brythunia, Hyperborea, Zamora with its dark-haired women and towers of spider-haunted mystery, Zingara with its chivalry, Koth that bordered on the pastoral lands of Shem, Stygia with its shadow-guarded tombs, Hyrkania whose riders wore steel and gold. But the proudest kingdom of the world was Aquilonia, reigning supreme in the dreaming west...." (From "The Phoenix and the Sword, Robert E Howard).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I think that we get so caught up in our current technology that it blinds us to what can be done without it sometimes.
    Totally agree. I mean, I still have trouble getting my mind around our ability to create buildings that are over 100 stories tall, and that's using modern equipment. (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sMU-xz5GKQ...-buildings.jpg)

    But I think human beings (and any species) can accomplish a great deal if enough time, money, and power is thrown at the problem. The brute force method can definitely accomplish unbelievable things.

    I saw a show on how it was "obvious" that aliens came to earth because how else can you explain so many societies with giant pyramids, and that they align with the stars in Orion's Belt. Ignoring the actual obvious of "gee a pyramid is the simplest 3-D shape to make" and "the Belt contains 3 of the brightest stars in the sky neatly lined up."
    Well, it obviously had to be carefully planned out / engineered -- those pyramid blocks are heavy enough that you don't want to be jugging things around on the fly, you want to know exactly where each is going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    But I think human beings (and any species) can accomplish a great deal if enough time, money, and power is thrown at the problem. The brute force method can definitely accomplish unbelievable things.
    And it can all be destroyed just as quick. Even our modern world.

    There's an interesting History channel series on this. Life After People. It starts with a scenario of humans being removed from the planet in the present age, and charts down the changes in the environment 20, 30, 80, 200 years down the line. It's kind of surprising what kind of upkeep it takes to keep things running smoothly. There was one telling segment, about an old Mitsubishi coal mining community off the coast of Japan.. It was located on an island, and it had industrial and residential complexes from end to end. Not only did the workers live there, but their families did as well. It also had schools, shops, etc.. Not long after it was built, Mitsubishi decided to cut their investment on coal, and transported the community out of there.. completely abandoning the island. This was 30 years ago. Nowadays, it looks like something out of an apocalyptic film. No one has tampered with it. No demolition has been placed there. It's just been weathered by storms and time. Just in 30 years.

    It makes me wonder though what could have been around in some past civilization. If typical weathering can do that in 30 years, then how much over centuries or in the aftermath of catastrophe? You'd never know that they were there after awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    It makes me wonder though what could have been around in some past civilization. If typical weathering can do that in 30 years, then how much over centuries or in the aftermath of catastrophe? You'd never know that they were there after awhile.
    Would it be mistaken for religious sites or idols or junk like that? How many things pulled out of archeological digs are really neat carvings for the mantel piece done one summer when the crops were brought in early?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Would it be mistaken for religious sites or idols or junk like that? How many things pulled out of archeological digs are really neat carvings for the mantel piece done one summer when the crops were brought in early?
    Maybe..

    I like the last part in this :

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    There recently was one of the hardcore new wave athiests who're trying to make the UK a leading athiest/secularist nation on the TV and they visited some digs out in the middle east and described how they thought that the jews were originally polytheists and the whole deal was a lie anyway. They were pulling crap out of the ground and she went to a museum were they had all these little carved characters and this was the evidence. I thought that's crazy, that's like someone doing an excavation on my old house's garden pulling them action figures I lost or which got buried in the garden out and concluding that we were polytheists and the action figures were actually deities.

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    Eh... the Jews were polytheists. There's a lot more to it than some Brits digging up some statues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlippoth View Post
    Eh... the Jews were polytheists. There's a lot more to it than some Brits digging up some statues.
    The Abrahamic faiths are monotheist. Look it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    The Abrahamic faiths are monotheist. Look it up.
    Well.. okay it's dumb to dispute that, because that's by definition. But their mythology comes from the polytheistic views of the area.. it was the choosing of one specific God of the pantheon "El" over others, and then eventually venerating it to be the only God that defines Abrahamic religion.

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    Smile Abraham and the Three Headed God

    It's true chrisianity is an abrahamic religion. It is based on god's command to Abraham to murder his son to test Abraham's obedience.

    And it is true christianity is monotheistic but a peculiar form of monotheism where there are three persons in one god.

    It's a bit like having our cake and eating it too - it's the kind of montheism we have when we are not having any monotheism.

    But only the vulgar would say that just as hinduism has an elephant headed god, christianity has a three headed god.

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