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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Less lines, more links.
    It seems to me that this is more like a conversation than a peer review journal so it seems inappropriate for me to be quoting others or giving links.

    And it does seem appropriate to say what is on my mind and listen to what is on your mind.

    It's like, in a conversation it is rude to talk about a third person who isn't there.

    Or I wonder, is it my style you don't like?

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    Hon, I don't mind your style.

    I think you are quite interesting actually, but I too would appreciate if you were to provide links to support your claims.

    Your style is very P-ish, or is it N-ish, or S-ish, lol, to me, in that you don't seem to be overly offensive or defensive, which I like .

    But if you don't like the MBTI, why are you here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    It seems to me that this is more like a conversation than a peer review journal so it seems inappropriate for me to be quoting others or giving links.

    And it does seem appropriate to say what is on my mind and listen to what is on your mind.

    It's like, in a conversation it is rude to talk about a third person who isn't there.

    Or I wonder, is it my style you don't like?

    Victor.
    Why would it be inappropriate for you to be quoting others? Even more puzzling is that you find it inappropriate to provide links. Why so for that as well?

    Aren't you trying to give insight into your POV? However can people follow you if you merely point out what you "know" and then give reference to a site/s yet not offer to give it due to some propriety YOU feel? Your info is fine alone, without reference. But if you mention it and people have kindly asked to read it to better understand you as they've clearly tried but are either failing or are beginning to dismiss you, wouldn't it be rude of you to decline them by refusing to give it? Heh. No one else, well mostly no one else, minds. So, do share'em! You do have them, right? Heeeh. I hope so!

    People offer links all the time here, sometimes to validate what they are trying to explain as a point of courtesy (or really, also, an ego boost. "Told ya so"). As for quoting others...that is pretty typical as well.

    It isn't rude to talk about a third person who isn't there so long as you remain respectful of them. If that's your aim, anyway. You may be here chatting to Edahn or CC but I've been lurking about and now I've brought myself into your discussion. Countless others are lurking as well and most will never comment. Might that not be considered rude as well? Not unless you think soooo. I don't~ I doubt most here would either or they wouldn't bother posting to begin with. Or stay in lurker mode with nary a post to their name!

    You may have a "style" but by not trying to compromise a bit to accommodate others is rather self-defeating for your aim. I wonder that you're bothering to try then.

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    DD, yay!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    DD, yay!!!!
    CC, play!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Or I wonder, is it my style you don't like?
    Q: I wonder why people take an instant dislike to me?

    A: It saves time.

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    Victor, you tell us not to take your word for it and to check Wikipedia, but Wikipedia certainly does NOT support your claim that Carl Jung was "an enthusiastic and active supporter of the Nazis." There is an entire section at Wikipedia called "Jung and Nazism." which readers can visit here: Carl Jung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I'll just paraphrase the facts, as they are currently stated at Wikipedia:

    1) Yes, Jung was editor of the Zentralblatt für Psychotherapie, a publication that eventually endorsed Mein Kampf as required reading for all psychoanalysts.

    However, Jung claims he accepted the position with the support of his Jewish friends and colleagues in an effort to save the practice of psychoanalysis, which he believed the Nazis would abolish as a "Jewish science."

    2) Yes, Jung served as president of the Nazi-dominated International General Medical Society for Psychotherapy.

    However, one of Jung's first acts as president was to modify the constitution so that German Jewish doctors could maintain their membership as individual members even though they were excluded from all German medical societies. Jung later resigned from the position during the war.

    3) In 1943 Jung aided the Office of Strategic Services by analyzing Nazi leaders for the United States.

    4) In an interview with Carol Baumann in 1948, published in the Bulletin of Analytical Psychology Club of New York, December 1949, Jung explicitly denies rumors regarding any sympathy for the Nazi movement, saying, "It must be clear to anyone who has read any of my books that I have never have been a Nazi sympathizer and I never have been anti-Semitic, and no amount of misquotation, mistranslation, or rearrangement of what I have written can alter the record of my true point of view."

    This does not sound to me like "enthusiastic and active" support for the Nazis, and it comes from the very source Victor tells us to rely on.

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    Ouch, now that's gotta hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    But if you don't like the MBTI, why are you here?
    This is an interesting question.

    I understand Geoff is in charge here and he has been reading my posts on SENG for some time and he invited me to join his group.

    I have some unresolved questions about myself that can only be answered by others.

    So your eyes are even more valuable than my own; and your ears are more valuable than my own two ears.

    In short two minds are better than one - yours and mine.

    Victor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Ouch, now that's gotta hurt.
    It's true that Carl Jung was not a member of the Nazi Party while Martin Heidegger was a member. But because the Shoah was close to absolute evil, both sought to whitewash their involvement and distance themselves from their pasts.

    Jung was spectacularly successful and become a Guru of the New Age Movement.

    While Heidegger was slightly less successful but remained the Father of Existentialism.

    Frankly, my good taste forbids me from being a disciple of Jung or Heidegger.

    Victor.

    Postscript - Mrs Briggs and her daughter were disciples of Jung, just as those who follow MBTI are disciples of Mrs Briggs and her daughter.

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