I'm shocked that an INFJ would sayafter saying things likeThe passionate responses my posts have invoked in this thread have been surpising.
Well, after the above tirade on atheistic art, when asked how exactly atheists "celebrate despair" and so on you said:I don't think I said hostility to religious symbols=celebrating hopelessness
1) "hostility" to religious symbols (as defined by you) = celebrating despair and so on, and/or
2) dislike/unwillingness to purchase/enjoy/display "religious art" (as defined by you) = celebrating despair and so on
I guess number 2 is correct, then?
Question: what is "atheist dogma"? How does all art created by atheists follow this dogma? Why doesn't any theistic art follow this dogma?I both object (on a personal level) to art that offends me, and seek freedom for artistic expression (as a goal for the art world, in general). However, the art world as it exists now does not promote complete artistic freedom. It only encourages artistic freedom if the artists' work goes along with atheist dogma.
Now we're jumping from "art created by theists" to specifically "religious art"? What does that mean? Does it have to have blatant Christian imagery, crosses and so on? If so, I can easily see why that'd be unpopular.....it's hard to make it seem original/interesting/thought-provoking, for starters, and a lot of people will be either offended or bored by it (wait a second, see any similarities to that ungodly abstract art there? I do!).It is hostile to artists who wish to express their religious beliefs through their art. People who produce religious art are in the minority, are attacked, and pushed out of the mainstream art world simply because it has been taken over by atheists who can't stand to see religious art.
I agree with artistic freedom too...but studio owners etc have a right to decide what they are comfortable displaying in their galleries, whether it's based on personal preference or what they believe will "sell"/be appreciated by viewers.
That's uh, quite the backtracking from your original stance:Also, to be absolutely clear, I do NOT object to other people making non-religious art if they so choose, and certainly there is beautiful work around that isn't Christian art.
It's a vast improvement though, I guess.The contemporary art world (both art departments at universities and art galleries) have been taken over by atheists resulting in work being produced that celebrates ugliness, hopelessness, denies our humanity, and denies the mystery that is present in the universe.
Either you're talking about abstract vs. realism and therefore it's completely unrelated to the discussion here, or you're comparing abstract art to religious art which is not really a fair comparison given the many other genres of "nonreligious" art. Especially since theists can and do create abstract art, and atheists can and do create non-abstract art....I doubt there's even a trend , honestly.Yes, exactly. It makes me so sad when people who are artistically gifted just bring ugliness into the world, when they could be using their talent to create work that is noble and inspiring, instead.