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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I think it is a stategic error to call ourselves atheists because theists have their stock arguments against atheism. I think it is far better to focus on the individual teaching of a particular religion. For instance, it is better to focus on jihad than defending oneself as an atheist.
    As in, if you can't stand for something, then you'll fall for anything? I'm totally reading between the lines!! :>

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Because God is the value.
    So if God told you to torture your love ones to death, then that would make it morally acceptable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    So if God told you to torture your love ones to death, then that would make it morally acceptable?
    Yes.

    Not that that would happen, because that would pretty much be in violation of God's nature.


    Assuming the existence of a God, what do you think would be a better determiner of morality than the creator of the universe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Yes.
    Assuming the existence of a God, what do you think would be a better determiner of morality than the creator of the universe?
    But what if he told you there will be no repercussion if you refused?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    But what if he told you there will be no repercussion if you refused?
    I don't understand how that question follows from what I posted. Right and wrong has nothing to do with consequence. Otherwise, it would be fine to do anything if you didn't get caught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    I don't understand how that question follows from what I posted. Right and wrong has nothing to do with consequence. Otherwise, it would be fine to do anything if you didn't get caught.
    You said god's will is value itself. If it was his will for you to do something horrible, would you still do it if there were no threat of punishment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    You said god's will is value itself. If it was his will for you to do something horrible, would you still do it if there were no threat of punishment?
    In this theoretical situation, it wouldn't be horrible, because it would be what God wanted. Morality is determined by his will.

    God is also unchanging though, so something being normally horrible and suddenly not being doesn't make any sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    In this theoretical situation, it wouldn't be horrible, because it would be what God wanted. Morality is determined by his will.
    Why would it be considered "good" to torture your loved ones to death simply because it pleases a powerful being?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Why would it be considered "good" to torture your loved ones to death simply because it pleases a powerful being?
    I'm with you. What the fuck.

    My friends, loved ones, kitties, puppies, and random children come before the declarations of some imaginary daddy in the sky.

    Pardon me, but I care more about real daddies.

    Sometimes I think agnosticism or atheism allows a person to be more moral. But I say that through the lens of thinking what promotes life and health is moral...not by some arbitrary rules that once made sense 1000 years ago, but today have very little relevance because of what we've discovered and invented with science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Do you think it would be better if everyone were an atheist?

    (please explain)

    It would sure take alot of spice out of life.

    I always like spicey things. =)
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