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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
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    Is killing wrong for wolfs, too?

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    i believe it to be a life philosophy as well but others have their own philosophy that doesn't include a god or creator but their morals still guide them throughout life.
    That is because morality is just a set of fuzzy rules to guide you through and ensure your survival in social situations. These rules, I believe, stem from different places: 1) mirror neurons which enable you to see the world from another's perspective (probably the origin of the Golden Rule), 2) socialisation/culture, 3) genes, 4) individual reflections.

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    maybe...all i can go on is what feels right to me and be glad i guess that there are laws in place to protect me from others who have different sorts of feelings that tell them it's right to rape or kill me...ha...so rather or not that's my spiritual self inside me or learned social rules or whatever else i'm glad it's there or we'd be livin in complete mayhem.
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    Religion isn't the problem. People are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post
    How does a value get instilled into the universe any more than what you conceive happens in a purely materialistic one, even with god?
    Because God is the value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Because God is the value.
    How exactly is god the value? Can you elaborate a little?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Because God is the value.
    How does that differ from saying "because electricity is the value"? Or any other object one can think of?

    I guess this relates to the point that, the only necessary difference between a universe with a god and a universe without, is just that. Anything that's not a god can be in either universe. That includes any type of value (even if you rename a value "God", or vice versa, which is semantics). As such I don't see how having a god changes the nature of values any more than can be done without a god.

    Materialistic universes are more restricted than just atheistic universes, but Materialists believe in values, obviously, so there's no reason they couldn't believe in this other kind of value, just as some non-Materialists do. Not to say these special values actually exist, but that adding a god does not help explain the nature of these values or whether they exist (or even if they can exist). More broadly, adding anything non-material does not help explain them either.

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    I don't believe in astrology but I don't give myself a special name because I don't believe in astrology. And in the same way it is silly to give a special name to those who don't believe in theism.

    We don't call those who don't believe in astrology, 'astrology atheists', just as we don't call those who don't believe in MBTI, 'MBTI atheists. And yet those who don't believe in theism are called 'atheists'.

    And 'atheist' is a highly pejorative word, up there with 'heretic' and 'apostate'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I don't believe in astrology but I don't give myself a special name because I don't believe in astrology. And in the same way it is silly to give a special name to those who don't believe in theism.

    We don't call those who don't believe in astrology, 'astrology atheists', just as we don't call those who don't believe in MBTI, 'MBTI atheists. And yet those who don't believe in theism are called 'atheists'.

    And 'atheist' is a highly pejorative word, up there with 'heretic' and 'apostate'.
    The reason is simple: It is, though it should not be, a deviation from the standard. We note that which is special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    How do you know what everyone else knows, if you don't know what exists? (Think about what you're saying.)
    He doesn't know what they know..he knows what they can't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mkenya View Post
    He doesn't know what they know..he knows what they can't know.
    Okay. How does he know what they can't know, if he doesn't know what exists?

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