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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i'm sorry...i honestly don't mean to read into what you've written. i guess i'm having a hard time understanding what you mean. it sounds like you think without faith in an afterlife that ones values are meaningless. that one would have no reason to chose right over wrong.
    Oh I'm not offended I just wanted to let you know.

    It sounds like your only considering the afterlife aspects of religion whereas I am speaking of religion as a comprehensive philosophy. Specifically here I'm considering the distinction between my religion and others like it that presume moral absolutes and other views that presume moral relativism. So here it's not the belief in an afterlife that is important but the belief in a universal law giver. Without a universal law giver there is no reason to argue anything one way or another because ultimately it just doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    That must be your favorite argument against atheists, Beefeater.
    I haven't heard a good response yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post

    I guess the simplest form of these questions is, "how can a value ever be anything more than an arbitrary mental entity, existing solely in people's minds?"
    When God actually exists and people are capable of aligning their values with God's.
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    I'm no longer an atheist. But I'm not a theist either. I simply don't know what exists, and neither does anyone else, whatever they claim and however they define it.
    I do see that there are wise people who have transcended the need to know the unknowable(and the fear that underlies it).
    I also see that humans have a fundamental need to believe in something bigger then themselves, but this doesn't have to be a god. Atheists never have anything to say about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    I haven't heard a good response yet.
    What makes members of a wolf pack behave according to certain unwritten rules?

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    i think i understand...i mean from a personal perspective...i feel like my spiritual beliefs being ingrained into my being is why i feel such strong compassion for others...but i know others that are equally compassionate and loving people who consider themselves agnostic or atheist.

    and...i'm not really just considering the afterlife. i believe it to be a life philosophy as well but others have their own philosophy that doesn't include a god or creator but their morals still guide them throughout life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    I simply don't know what exists, and neither does anyone else,
    How do you know what everyone else knows, if you don't know what exists? (Think about what you're saying.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    What makes members of a wolf pack behave according to certain unwritten rules?
    God
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    When God actually exists and people are capable of aligning their values with God's.
    How does that make them more than arbitrary mental entities?

    Why align with God's values? Aren't God's values equally arbitrary as well?

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    where i've decided i'm at with it is just that it's impossible to know...but the enormity and complexity of the universe and everything we are incapable of seeing with our human eyes or hearing or grasping with our very limited minds...there's just so much that is possible and all one can do is theorize...so that's what i do...i think it could be this way or that...and certain things feel like truth to me and maybe that could be considered as faith...maybe it's not... but i don't let fear guide me and i don't follow anyone or anything blindly.
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