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    Existence is far more than just perception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    I remember once when I poked a frog with a stick. I perceived death, but I didn't feel it, I won't ever feel it
    I saw a kid poke a frog with a stick. It was one of the worst things I've seen. It was like all of his guts came out of his mouth. The second thing I know next to existence is this feeling of identifying with the frog. I regret that I didn't stop the kid in time. Wussed out, I guess. I've tried responding since to others who would do that. I want them to feel themselves. And there's no way to go about it than by my enforcing my sense of existence and feeling on to them, just like they're doing. Which brings me to the third thing that's real. Power. It's almost a party now. I wonder what else I need to balance this shit out.

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    Originally posted by Beargryllz
    You are a philosopher
    Hooray! I imagine so, considering its my college major.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Hooray! I imagine so, considering its my college major.
    You'll have 3 career options.

    Hemlock, pacing, or syphilis.

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    If I perceive myself to exist, I must be using my senses in the act of perception. And if that is true, then I can use those same senses to percieve things outside myself. I can then form a concept of world, with no contradiction.
    I sense, therefore the world exists for me.

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    Perception in itself is a flaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickNaylor View Post
    Perception in itself is a flaw.
    A flaw to what? It certainly helps a large number of organisms sustain their existence. You wouldn't want to be the blind hawk diving for a meal, would you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Well as I see it, we can't ever be entirely sure that the world that we percieve objectively exists at all, considering that we are trapped within the realm of our subjectivity. But, there is no reason to assume that the external world isn't real, we just can't know 100%. Thus I take a will of assumption as my safeguard, that is I assume that this world that I perceive; real, dream, whatever; this world is my true world, I cannot doubt it because it is the only world that I know of, and that everything within is real to me.
    This is beautiful. It has taken me years to get to this conclusion..funny thing is I'm almost positive that I've read this before. I was stubborn..I needed to learn it, to experience it...being told didn't help. It's something that comes from within..

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    Originally posted by NickNaylor
    Perception in itself is a flaw.
    Explain.

    originally posted by Mkenya
    This is beautiful. It has taken me years to get to this conclusion..funny thing is I'm almost positive that I've read this before. I was stubborn..I needed to learn it, to experience it...being told didn't help. It's something that comes from within..
    Why thank you I beleive that I'm not the only one to arrive to this conclusion (although I did come to it on my own), but learning for yourself is certainly important (that, and if you learned of this conclusion from the outer world, how could you be sure that it would be true information is we can't be 100% certain that the world we percieve is real ).

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    Yes, I was gonna say go read some Descartes or maybe some Merlau-Ponty

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