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    I tend to have a mouth like a sailor, even for a woman, but I can filter my language with ease, especially in the workplace. I use curses if I happen to smash my finger or drop a heavy box on my foot. I use them for emphasis or when angry to get my point across. Of course, as with any "dirty" word, there is an appropriate time and place to use them. Smashing your finger in church, no matter how bad it hurts, is not an appropriate place to mutter "Damn it all to hell" or "Motherf****r".

    I don't mind them, but you do have to keep a professional attitude at work. This means filtering what comes out of your trap.
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    Lark you should totally watch Spartacus.

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    Language is nothing more than an interpreted series of sounds that humans have invoked and used to communicate. There's no reason why the sound of "front" should be any more offensive than the sound of "fuck." That being said, I do find swearing tasteless when those that should be acting formally (e.g. speaker, teacher, etc) abuse it. In a casual atmosphere, I have absolutely no problem with it. Overuse can still be annoying, though.

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    I swear pretty regularly but can filter myself in certain situations pretty easily.

    That said, I think taking offense to swear words (or, indeed, the concept) is among the stupidest humans have en masse. Lark called them "words of hate", but that isn't true. Words without context aren't hateful or loving. Even seemingly good words can be used to cut someone apart, and I'll bet most of the swear words you hear aren't used that way, at least not among friends, and if they are it's all in fun. I don't see a difference between saying "fuck" and "shoot" after messing up, or "shit" and "crap". They have the same meaning, the only reason one is more offensive is because you decide it so. I find the fact that swearing is so contentious to be a problem more among those taking offense than those swearing. A swear word, especially when not used to insult, does not hurt anyone unless someone, totally illogically, decides it hurts them. So as far as I can tell, it seems like they are more forcing themselves to get offended at nothing than really being offended.

    And it absurd, for example, the King's Speech was rated R solely because the main character says fuck five times, in a story-relevant way, and not directed at any other character nor used as in insult. And the fact that, when they cut three of them, for some reason now it's inoffensive enough to be PG-13. It's fickle, absurd, and to me it's telling of the entire weird attitude the nation has towards words like that.

    Of course, there are a few words that are, inescapably, words of hate. And those words I never, ever say. These words are racial slurs and slurs against people of different beliefs or sexual orientations. I don't even call things "gay" in a derogatory manner as is so popular nowadays. I find THAT to be hateful (I mean, if it were well known that back in the 50s people used the term "black" in the same way, we would think it was terrible).
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    I like your perspective at the end there. Indeed, there are definitely words in our language designed to belittle and degrade. That does not make them inherently "wrong," however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeZero View Post
    I like your perspective at the end there. Indeed, there are definitely words in our language designed to belittle and degrade. That does not make them inherently "wrong," however.
    True, even slurs can be inoffensive in proper contexts, but very limited ones.
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    I don't swear any in posts or in person. There was a time, when i did so and during that period i was surrounded by people who did swear a lot. I had to teach myself not to swear after i wasn't influenced by these people in my work and study.

    Past three years i've luckily had jobs, where a person, who swears, is considered to be an ignorant fool. In my school swearing is rarity and is not endorsed by other students.
    Sometimes i try to stop people cursing, by saying that it's so easy to fill your speech with f-words, if you can't find other words to describe your feelings.

    I consider people, who curse a lot, uneducated, with a limited supply of words and easily irritated. A short time ago I had a co-worker, who's every sentence included at least one swear word. White trash, muzzy-looking, high school dropout and racist - typical swear word cultivator in my eyes. Something so vile, that i never want to be. I was so happy when she quit after a month.
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    It is cultural discrimination to tell people not to swear, just like it's cultural discrimination for telling people they're stupid because they say "hey y'all" and "ain't that somethin'" or maybe just "no way, dude."

    I think there's a line maybe where it becomes hostile, and I know not to use certain words around certain people. Like the average person in WV (including my mother) takes the term "mother fucker" as a hostile vulgarity, while I could use it around other people in regular speech. Same with jokingly calling another person a fag or a bitch...people in our generation have tended to use these as more empowering words rather than being hate or discriminatory speech.

    I think sometimes on-line certain people might think I'm upset when I'm not, until they get used to my pattern of using certain words.


    All in all, I guess it's best to know your surroundings, and that it might not be kind or advantageous to use particular words, but on the other hand, correcting people just for the sake of correcting them is silly...those words have no power. They're just arbitrary words a culture of people made up and agreed at one point in time were "curses."

    Frankly I think it shows a clear lack of Ni on the OP's part for him to not be aware of that, but that doesn't surprise me one little bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Swearing is for the inarticulate.
    What a hilariously incorrect and biased observation. Many articulate people swear. Like me. And Quentin Tarentino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    What a hilariously incorrect and biased observation. Many articulate people swear. Like me. And Quentin Tarentino.
    Articulation itself is a matter of taste. One can choose to swear if that choice of articulation will get more effect. Kevin Rudd liked to swear for that reason.

    Of course some motherfuckers swear simply because they are verbal aggressors.

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