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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    For me that's proof.
    So instead of the universe simply being, it was given to us by a benevolent amalgam of all that is toted as good?

    This would reinforce the idea that we should do well unto others, because the universe is beautiful and full of wonder. If it was given to me, I would be happy. To think that a being gave the universe to you, wouldn't it be comforting and a gesture of kindness? The amalgam can be refined as needed, but as long as he/she/it exists and created the universe for us, we would align ourselves with that being and treat it as a friend? Yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    For me that's proof.
    Very much so.

    The Christians take the idea even further.
    For the Catholics, God is Catholic ..

    For the Lutherans, Lutheran:
    God waited all the time from the outset of the Big Bang to Luther to be born, so He can assign Himself to the Lutheran Church.
    Actually He waited even longer.
    Luther was born a Catholic. It was only the later Lutherans who were the true Lutherans.
    It all boils down to where we are born.
    Luther was born in a wrong place. He was born in an all-Catholic Europe.
    A half-baked Lutheran, at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Very much so.

    The Christians take the idea even further.
    For the Catholics, God is Catholic ..

    For the Lutherans, Lutheran:
    God waited all the time from the outset of the Big Bang to Luther to be born, so He can assign Himself to the Lutheran Church.
    Actually He waited even longer.
    Luther was born a Catholic. It was only the later Lutherans who were the true Lutherans.
    It all boils down to where we are born.
    Luther was born in a wrong place. He was born in an all-Catholic Europe.
    A half-baked Lutheran, at best.
    I dont really understand this, I'm catholic, at least if you mean roman catholic by that, and I dont believe that God is catholic, I believe God is God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    Ok, I will try to be brief, and turn this into a topic for people to argue, this is not my intention.
    I am confused most by this bit. Did you misspeak?
    "The purpose of life is to be defeated by greater and greater things." - Rainer Maria Rilke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I'd question why you have a need to disprove the existence of God and attack traditional beliefs, its characteristic among young people but not really characteristic of anyone who have reached either mid life, either in chronological age or mindset.
    I've also asked myself the 2 questions (for me they're separated)
    1. Why do I need to disprove the existence of God?
    There are many factors which can contribute to this.
    I was a very religious kid, I remember this dream when the skies turned into the ceiling of a cathedral (orthodox cathedral- they have a ton of paintings) and God was there in the middle painted, not moving, and there were a lot of angels and beautiful colors everywhere.
    But I stopped believing when I was 12.
    I guess I have my personal reasons, strongly related to the God superstitions.

    2. Why do so many older people believe in God, compared to the number of young people who believe?
    I don't know, God becomes kind of a social thing, older people hang in churches like they hanged in bars when they were younger.

    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Very much so.

    The Christians take the idea even further.
    For the Catholics, God is Catholic ..

    For the Lutherans, Lutheran:
    God waited all the time from the outset of the Big Bang to Luther to be born, so He can assign Himself to the Lutheran Church.
    Actually He waited even longer.
    Luther was born a Catholic. It was only the later Lutherans who were the true Lutherans.
    It all boils down to where we are born.
    Luther was born in a wrong place. He was born in an all-Catholic Europe.
    A half-baked Lutheran, at best.
    There are so many versions of God, in all cultures, yet the christian God personally transmitted the following sentence:
    "Thou shall not have other gods before me"


    I don't know.

    I'd replace the bible with a code of ethics.
    But man needs God.
    It's an old need, rooted deeply into our minds.

    Our God is 2011 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    There are so many versions of God, in all cultures, yet the christian God personally transmitted the following sentence:
    "Thou shall not have other gods before me"
    Neither the catholic or the protestant should worship a collection of theological concepts, but rather the God who is there. I don't believe our limitations in our knowledge about God prevents us from interacting with God. While it is true that my limitations are that of a prisoner bound by chains and incapable of reaching out and touching the jailor who is there it does not follow that jailor is limited by the chains and prevented from touching me.

    And so I will worship no other God than the one who knows me.
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    And then beat the bastards with it
    And always hold on when you get love
    So you can let go when you give it

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    I've also asked myself the 2 questions (for me they're separated)
    1. Why do I need to disprove the existence of God?
    There are many factors which can contribute to this.
    I was a very religious kid, I remember this dream when the skies turned into the ceiling of a cathedral (orthodox cathedral- they have a ton of paintings) and God was there in the middle painted, not moving, and there were a lot of angels and beautiful colors everywhere.
    But I stopped believing when I was 12.
    I guess I have my personal reasons, strongly related to the God superstitions.

    2. Why do so many older people believe in God, compared to the number of young people who believe?
    I don't know, God becomes kind of a social thing, older people hang in churches like they hanged in bars when they were younger.



    There are so many versions of God, in all cultures, yet the christian God personally transmitted the following sentence:
    "Thou shall not have other gods before me"


    I don't know.

    I'd replace the bible with a code of ethics.
    But man needs God.
    It's an old need, rooted deeply into our minds.

    Our God is 2011 years old.
    Our God is 2011 years old.
    You said it, guesswho.
    Congrats.
    That is what the Lark boy and the others do not get.
    An inconsistency.

    In the cosmic set, he is too young.
    The Big Bang took place before He was even born!
    In the human context, He is too old.
    Who wants to live 2011 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I dont really understand this, I'm catholic, at least if you mean roman catholic by that, and I dont believe that God is catholic, I believe God is God.
    Your God is not Catholic then.
    You are.
    Why?
    He said: Follow me.
    You do not follow a non-Catholic as a Catholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Galileo got in trouble because of his views concerning scriptural interpretation, a subject he had no qualification nor business dabbling in.
    I can see some of the rest of your points, but I think that's silly. Galileo was qualified to interpret scripture because he could simply read.

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    Christianity is one of the Roman empire's greatest legacy. They conquered politheistic countries.

    Romania had a multitude of gods before they were conquered, and we assimilated their culture like no others. Hence the name of "romanus".

    The old gods fell quickly under the unity of one country and one God, something which was a premiere at that time.

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