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    Quote Originally Posted by tinker683 View Post
    You're correct and yes I do. Of course, I love it when anyone goes out of their way to get my attention but most especially women. I admit though to feeling a little guilty as I wonder how many ladies feel like they need to put in that extra effort just to grab my attention.
    Do you ever wish to see their natural beauty?
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    Can't we all just be less stupid?
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by chachamaru View Post
    Do you ever wish to see their natural beauty?
    Absolutely! You ladies have a lot more going for you than you think
    "The man who is swimming against the stream knows the strength of it."
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    i think it's awesome idea...putting yourself in the hands of a capable photographer can really allow you to see yourself as others do...or can if you drop all the insecurities.
    There can’t be any large-scale revolution until there’s a personal revolution, on an individual level. It’s got to happen inside first.
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    What is this thread about anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Right I'm watching at TV programme about how a photo studio has opened specialising in taking nude photos of regular women in an effort to assist them in overcoming self-esteem problems and develop body confidence.

    I dont know if they are photoshopped or just clever photographic posing, one of the women talked about being annorexic when they where younger as a result of body image.
    My question is whether or not it is a kind of collusion with the greater problem of objectification, people are getting in on the act themselves and objectifying themselves in their own sight, wouldnt it be a better idea to see ideas about modesty revived?

    I'm not being a killjoy in suggesting this or suggesting that people ought to adopt burkas or anything ridiculous like that, it just seems sometimes that a lot of the solutions people come up with resemble the problem in the first place in some way.
    As long as people have sexual urges and vision, someone's going to be getting ogled. It's not realistic to think modesty, as in covering up one's nakedness, would put a stop to that. Nor could covering up ever really return. And even if a woman does choose to show less of her body, there will always be times when one is sans clothing or not wearing a lot, e.g. at the beach.

    I think body confidence is a wonderful thing and I'm all for anything that encourages that, especially for women. This is a great idea. Doing the things that scare a person can bring self-confidence and not feeling comfortable in one's own skin is a prison of one's own making. And unnecessary and a great shame. What I would like to see, as a way to combat feeling bombarded with a beauty ideal, is a standard disclaimer on all pics that appear in any popular media that indicate the pic has been photoshopped and possibly the degree to which it has been. I think those pictures would then be regarded more as art than a realistic portrayal. I suspect that that would do wonders for the self-esteem of women.

    I think porn is a rather insidious vehicle with regard to popularizing strange standards a woman might be held to. Whenever I start dancing around someone with a view to dating, I try to figure out how much porn they watch and how much deprogramming I'm going to have to do if it gets there. (And I like my body and am body confident). It's definitely a bummer when some guy has filled his head with porn. (And wonderful when a guy doesn't watch porn, yes, they are out there and yes, you can tell).

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    I've read a lot of Heinlien in my life and his opinion was something along the lines that the most lacivious thing you could do is to clothe someone, it implies that there is something naughty to hide. Rings true to me.

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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberries View Post
    erm, what do you suppose motivates this 'human bias' in relation to attractiveness if not biology?
    If I had to guess, they'd be a little bit of biology at birth, and the rest would be environmental (socialisation, enculturation etc.). Probably entirely overriding biological influence given time.

    Baring in mind environmental influence is not fickle, it starts at birth (womb influences are half and half really) and deeply roots itself in people's psyche, especially at young ages. They haven't been able to reverse the environment's influence on feral children, and they are the most extreme example we have. The other thing worth noting is that the vast majority of humans live in a very similar culture and environment (the differences are emphasised more than the similarities usually). Feral children, and people brought up in total isolation, are the only significant anomalies we have. I guess some of the new-found tribes are a good example too.

    It's far too inhumane to repeat such scenarios, or to perform tests on those tribes, and the knowledge gained doesn't have nearly enough value to justify such a means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlippoth View Post
    I've read a lot of Heinlien in my life and his opinion was something along the lines that the most lacivious thing you could do is to clothe someone, it implies that there is something naughty to hide. Rings true to me.
    Heinlein was just a dirty old man. (Ever read "I Will Fear No Evil"?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Schopenhauer View Post
    Can't we all just be less stupid?
    That seems to be the challenge here, doesn't it? lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ajblaise
    Ok, I'm done. I hate having to move posts from threads.
    me too. Laziness apparently IS what makes the world go 'round.

    Quote Originally Posted by erm
    Well the only bit I see you differing with me on is insecurity being universal. I assume you don't mean universal literally? I'd need to know more detail before I can respond.
    I was speaking out of my butt intuition, on that one.

    I think I had just noticed in different bits of literature (even in ancient texts like The Old Testament, for example) than women habitually are reinforcing for themselves what a 'true woman' actually is, and specifically having to say it's not about physical beauty/attractiveness. I tend to infer from that need to even mention it, that there's some sort of common struggle going on between women and society where women feel tempted to win approval/attention for themselves through their physical beauty by that culture's standards. i.e., women are insecure about themselves and grow strong by not succumbing to society's attempt to attribute worth to them merely by their looks.

    That's probably what I meant.
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