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    Promiscuity as method of coping with low self-esteem? Hm. Perhaps this isn't the best alternative to building up ones self-image in a healthy way.
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Do you really overcome an issue by acting in a way which may ultimately be compounding the problem? Someone who has a fixation or obsession with body image, perhaps more or less because this is cultural norm in their society, is encouraged to focus more on it by means of visiting a photo studio?
    There's more to it than just taking off your clothes. By focusing on the real you, with the help of a professional photographer who has the experience to bring out sides of you you haven't really thought of before, might actually be helpful in getting rid of that negative fixation and obsession. Stripping yourself down, seeing yourself as you are and embracing all that in a positive way, in a way that is liberating and possibly creates a space for you to start healing.

    When you start to think of what created that obsession in the first place, all that pressure that makes you feel ashamed for being who you are, that you should pile on the layers (literally and otherwise) to cover yourself up and protect yourself and create a comfort zone that doesn't help you progress in a good way. That's not really helpful in overcoming the issue, is it? Maybe too much modesty, as in putting your needs as last, is what has brought them to that point?

    I agree with nebbykoo, it is like exposure therapy.

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    Promiscuity as method of coping with low self-esteem? Hm. Perhaps this isn't the best alternative to building up ones self-image in a healthy way.
    You see this as promiscuity? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Why not if it in some way helps to overcome their body images? I'm with Satine. Modesty is over-rated and is tied into religion's belief that women should cover up or they're in for a load of shame and guilt. Sex is not a dirty thing.
    I am not religious. I value modesty.
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Schopenhauer View Post
    I am not religious. I value modesty.
    Where did the concept of modesty originate from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantonym View Post
    You see this as promiscuity? Really?
    Perhaps I've selected a word that doesn't properly convey my point? By "promiscuous" I mean, "immodest."

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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Where did the concept of modesty originate from?
    Human biology. Where else?
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    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Schopenhauer View Post
    Human biology. Where else?
    Oh, so you're saying that homo habilis was modest?

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    Really good post Erm, really liked it and its a pretty good synopsis of both what's happening and what I was trying to say. Perhaps modesty as I understand it wouldnt be possible or as you say realistic, only some sick ass distortion which serves as a byword for people who want to objectify women just as much but in a different way. I think its a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Oh, so you're saying that homo habilis was modest?
    Nope.
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    @Metaphor,

    Perhaps you should ask yourself why religion includes modesty within its doctrine at all.
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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