User Tag List

First 1234 Last

Results 21 to 30 of 40

  1. #21
    Senior Member swordpath's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    MBTI
    ISTx
    Posts
    10,552

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    Maybe It's just a story and none of it ever happened at all? Such pointless speculation.
    I bet all the religious people here hate us. hahah.

    We come into all these threads and say "No way, it's fake, god isn't real/god hates us, etc."

    Not that we're trying to piss people off, it's obviously how we feel/what we believe but I find it funny.

  2. #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    961

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBeatGoesOn View Post
    I bet all the religious people here hate us. hahah.

    We come into all these threads and say "No way, it's fake, god isn't real/god hates us, etc."

    Not that we're trying to piss people off, it's obviously how we feel/what we believe but I find it funny.
    I really don't see any reason why religious/spiritual beliefs should get a pass.

    Scientology doesn't get a pass but Christianity does? I don't see a difference between them, one is just a few thousand years older. If Scientology survives for a thousand years it will be a respected elder religion. They're both equally destructive, Christians are just as nutty and Scientologists, their beliefs are equally stupid and wrong.

  3. #23
    Senior Member swordpath's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    MBTI
    ISTx
    Posts
    10,552

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    I really don't see any reason why religious/spiritual beliefs should get a pass.

    Scientology doesn't get a pass but Christianity does? I don't see a difference between them, one is just a few thousand years older. If Scientology survives for a thousand years it will be a respected elder religion. They're both equally destructive, Christians are just as nutty and Scientologists, their beliefs are equally stupid and wrong.
    I agree.

    Off topic - Where in Oregon do you live? Not Portland by chance?

  4. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    961

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBeatGoesOn View Post
    I agree.

    Off topic - Where in Oregon do you live? Not Portland by chance?
    Middle of the state.

  5. #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    MBTI
    Zzzz
    Posts
    2,629

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    I really don't see any reason why religious/spiritual beliefs should get a pass.

    Scientology doesn't get a pass but Christianity does? I don't see a difference between them, one is just a few thousand years older. If Scientology survives for a thousand years it will be a respected elder religion. They're both equally destructive, Christians are just as nutty and Scientologists, their beliefs are equally stupid and wrong.
    Well, I don't agree with religion any more than you do and agree with what you said, for the most part. But spirituality is entirely different. People can have a religion without being spiritual and they can have a religion and be spiritual. People who are spiritual do not necessarily have a religion, such as I. There's no enforcing, or spreading through enforcing, of beliefs. Take what you want, reject what you will. Rather like Buddhism (which is erroneously thought of as a religion). It's just a set of principles which people take and use to enhance their lives.

    Anyhoo, this is all off-topic. I think Jennifer might want it to remain within bounds of the OP?

  6. #26
    Senior Member swordpath's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    MBTI
    ISTx
    Posts
    10,552

    Default

    DeliriousDisp. - Can a non fuzzy-feely person such as myself benefit from and enjoy something like buddhism? (assuming you follow or are knowledgeable on it?)

    Also, can you be a agnostic and be a buddhist?

    edit:
    Genuine interest in understanding buddhism more. I'm not arguing or debating.

  7. #27
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    961

    Default

    I don't think we need yet another pointless flamewar on the subject.

    If this spirituality of yours is just a philosophical thing then fine. But then why call it spiritual if no spirits are involved? If you do have an invisible friend then you're just as nutty as the Scientologists and their Thetans. So your magic friend didn't give you a rule book to follow, it's still a screwy thing to believe in.

  8. #28
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    MBTI
    Zzzz
    Posts
    2,629

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBeatGoesOn View Post
    DeliriousDisp. - Can a non fuzzy-feely person such as myself benefit from and enjoy something like buddhism? (assuming you follow or are knowledgeable on it?)

    Also, can you be a agnostic and be a buddhist?

    edit:
    Genuine interest in understanding buddhism more. I'm not arguing or debating.
    I'm not a follower of Buddhism, however I have read on it and it would be close to my philosophies. I can think you could be agnostic and follow ideas within Buddhism. One understanding of Buddhism is that you attain self-knoweldge. You release yourself from external/internal sufferings due to your experiences, as opposed to be trapped by them (such as from social conditioning, a bad childhood, bad people in your life, or your own poor self-esteeem etc) or enhancing what you already have if you considering your life having been good thus far. It's about directly experiencing reality for yourself as opposed to following others beliefs. Buddhists share their philosophies, do rituals which are perceived as similar to other religions but it's not. They create their own understanding of their teachings and come to their own self-awareness and understanding of themselves and others. (Btw, ever heard of Buddhists killing/creating wars to spread their "religion"?) It's just a way of life. I wouldn't follow it strictly, I don't think you'd like to either, but using the tools such as meditation or becoming self-aware is appealing.

    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    I don't think we need yet another pointless flamewar on the subject.

    If this spirituality of yours is just a philosophical thing then fine. But then why call it spiritual if no spirits are involved? If you do have an invisible friend then you're just as nutty as the Scientologists and their Thetans. So your magic friend didn't give you a rule book to follow, it's still a screwy thing to believe in.
    Calling it magic friend or w/e? What is your reasoing for saying such a thing?That's nice, to judge others without understanding their philosophies or understanding what "spirit" means/is understood to them. You want to hold your own beliefs, for surely it IS a belief to discount all others if you do so, then that's fine too. For you to say something is a screwy thing to believe in is just as ignorant and unjustified as other religions/people do. I won't elucidate you further as there's no point to within this thread (make one if you want, I shall respond~). No one was creating a pointless flamewar. I was explaining to you the differences of religion and spirituality which I found to be erroneously merged, that's all.

  9. #29
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    961

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DeliriousDisposition View Post
    Calling it magic friend or w/e? What is your reasoing for saying such a thing?
    Because religion and spirituality usually involves a friendly relationship with some imaginary entity which is magical in nature, thus magic friend.
    That's nice, to judge others without understanding their philosophies or understanding what "spirit" means/is understood to them.
    I'm not judging you, I'm mocking silly ideas. I hold everyone and everything in contempt anyway.
    You want to hold your own beliefs, for surely it IS a belief to discount all others if you do so, then that's fine too.
    I'm a nihilist, I don't have beliefs that I'm aware of.
    For you to say something is a screwy thing to believe in is just as ignorant and unjustified as other religions/people do.
    Meh.
    I won't elucidate you further as there's no point to within this thread (make one if you want, I shall respond~). No one was creating a pointless flamewar. I was explaining to you the differences of religion and spirituality which I found to be erroneously merged, that's all.
    I've done enough damage here, g'day mates

  10. #30
    Member Ojian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    MBTI
    INTP
    Posts
    73

    Default

    The reason why this suggestion seems to preposterous to me is because it goes against nearly everything as to how the ancient Jewish culture is portrayed.

    As was already suggested, there were a lot of ancient cultures that actively used hallucinogenic drugs as part of their religious rituals. The ancient Jewish laws and religious writings did just about everything they could to stand apart from the nations around them with regards to conduct and religion. Use of drugs in religious practices was closely tied to spiritism, in fact some of the Jewish laws prohibitions against spiritistic practices actually use a Hebrew word that could also be translated as ‘druggery’

    Jewish religions practices were explained in great detail, from the processes for conducting sacrifices and even how the priests would dress. Leaving out any mention of a drug substance would be highly unusual.

    Even considering the consuming of food and alcohol, there was quite a bit of admonition and warnings given, especially for overuse. To conspicuously miss any mention of drugs as a substance that was normally used doesn’t lend much support to it actually being there.

    And even if you were to consider that Moses was high when he supposedly had his experiences, what about all the other persons that had related experiences, sometimes to the same event that Moses was going thru. Were they all using the same drug and having the same hallucination?

    If someone doesn’t buy the stories because they just can’t see them happening or don’t want to believe in the possibility of them, that is one thing. But this professor basically decides to link a drug experience he had with the ancient record, simply because they sounded mildly the same. It’s weak speculation that goes against everything the old Jewish culture represented. But it’s going to receive a lot of traction because the idea of Moses being a druggy probably sounds appealing to the anti-religious crowd.

Similar Threads

  1. Types and their respective high school personas...
    By The Ü™ in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 92
    Last Post: 07-13-2011, 06:05 PM
  2. Crazy High-Calorie Burning Excercises -- Suggestions Please
    By CzeCze in forum Health and Fitness
    Replies: 76
    Last Post: 03-26-2009, 11:09 AM
  3. Any mountaineers?
    By Grayscale in forum Home, Garden and Nature
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 02-18-2008, 10:34 PM
  4. For those with high cuteness thresholds...
    By anii in forum The Fluff Zone
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 12-23-2007, 09:47 PM
  5. I was a jock in High School. . .
    By miss fortune in forum The Fluff Zone
    Replies: 39
    Last Post: 12-11-2007, 11:55 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO