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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlippoth View Post
    I still think it's better going out trying to kill Nazis than living by killing babies.
    Agreed, all else being equal. But consider:

    A) The baby will die anyways, probably in a worse way (the Nazis likely have little interest in quick/painless).

    B) You will live if the baby dies now.

    C) Other lives are also at stake. How many others are hiding with you is unknown.

    So fighting the Nazis is noble, but the ultimate outcome is several lives lost, including the baby's, as opposed to only the baby. From a utilitarian perspective, killing the baby is obviously the right thing to do. From a Kantian or moral absolutist's perspective, you have to let the baby live.

    Of course, it also depends on HOW likely you are to be heard/discovered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    Agreed, all else being equal. But consider:

    A) The baby will die anyways, probably in a worse way (the Nazis likely have little interest in quick/painless).

    B) You will live if the baby dies now.

    C) Other lives are also at stake. How many others are hiding with you is unknown.

    So fighting the Nazis is noble, but the ultimate outcome is several lives lost, including the baby's, as opposed to only the baby. From a utilitarian perspective, killing the baby is obviously the right thing to do. From a Kantian or moral absolutist's perspective, you have to let the baby live.

    Of course, it also depends on HOW likely you are to be heard/discovered.
    Yeah, I'm not very utilitarian. I think that living is important, but how you live is more important. Our time is finite, 1 year or 120, it's what we do during it that counts.

    If we're going to be all realistic, what'll happen is that one of the above posters will kill me when it starts like I'm going to make a fuss about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    Are you male?
    I don't fit into the general misguided paramiters I guess. But in terms of speaking, the penis is somewhat misconceptuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlippoth View Post
    I still think it's better going out trying to kill Nazis than living by killing babies.
    You inglorious bastard.

    rock on!

    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    But, isn't this why we discuss these things? So that we might cultivate a sense of right and wrong hoping that when the test comes we might rise above our basic emotional response and act morally? Isn't it our reliance on principles and not instincts that make us human and distinguish us from animals?

    Evil prevails where people are controlled by fear and not by principles.

    Thinking about principles can lead to acting on them. Bonhoeffer was writing his book, Ethics, when he was imprisoned by the nazis.

    Please, do not mistake my high expectations here as extreme condemnation of those who would fall short. In choice of evil situations I don't think punishment should be harsh on the guilty.
    Oh, I think you take me too seriously sometimes.
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    Another cheering Qlippoth on! A perfect solution!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlippoth View Post
    I still think it's better going out trying to kill Nazis than living by killing babies.
    In either case, there will be killing, and it will be done by your hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Oh, I think you take me too seriously sometimes.

    Take the weakest thing in you
    And then beat the bastards with it
    And always hold on when you get love
    So you can let go when you give it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    In either case, there will be killing, and it will be done by your hand
    Or, rather, attempted killing. I can't see some unarmed man crawling out of the floor actually successfully killing anyone in a group of (assumedly) armed Nazis.*

    It does raise an interesting point though. My previous statement about Kantian/moral absolutism falls apart if he tries to kill the Nazis. It's a different system altogether.

    Though I am aware people (including me) don't walk around with some detached reaction to moral questions, processing it through the machine of a logical ethical system. They react based on something a little less explicable or rational. So defining that system could just be a waste of time



    *Unless he is Batman, in which case he will knock all the Nazis unconscious, though kill none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Within View Post
    I don't fit into the general misguided paramiters I guess. But in terms of speaking, the penis is somewhat misconceptuous.
    I rather ask than assume
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    I saw this episode of M*A*S*H!

    It was a chicken.
    Dammit! I forgot to make "choking the chicken" joke.

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