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    most people would not kill the baby, myself included.

    I'll just pray to Allah I'll make for a tasty jew stew.

    There is no rational answer to this question.
    well yeah, that's the point of these extreme ethics questions...Gotta cut out all decent options to see how much of a bastard you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snuggletron View Post
    most people would not kill the baby, myself included.
    Really? I think in that situation the majority of people would kill the baby.
    “Everybody has a secret world inside of them. All of the people of the world, I mean everybody. No matter how dull and boring they are on the outside, inside
    them they've all got unimaginable, magnificent, wonderful, stupid, amazing worlds. Not just one world. Hundreds of them. Thousands maybe.” -Neil Gaiman

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    So options are:

    1. Kill the baby, everyone else lives.

    2. Don't kil the baby, everyone, including the baby, dies.

    Either way the baby is a goner, so yeah I'd kill the baby.

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    I'd probably wait for someone else to kill the baby. It's disgusting, I know. I don't really see a way to win even if we end up alive and the baby dead, a part of all of us in there would be dead anyway. Life goes on but what kind of a life would it be anyway, knowing what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Brain View Post
    So options are:

    1. Kill the baby, everyone else lives.

    2. Don't kil the baby, everyone, including the baby, dies.

    Either way the baby is a goner, so yeah I'd kill the baby.
    Option 3: kill the baby, but at least one other person in hiding has qualms about the act and raises enough fuss, or struggles to prevent it, that all are discovered anyway. Lose/lose.

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    I don't really think it is moral to kill an animal unless it is for sustenance. So if I did kill the baby, I'd have to make sure we ate it, and every part of its body was used for something practical.
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    Originally posted by Coriolis
    Option 3: kill the baby, but at least one other person in hiding has qualms about the act and raises enough fuss, or struggles to prevent it, that all are discovered anyway. Lose/lose.
    Assuming what YWIR was intending in her OP, no third oprion would be avaliable, but even so going with option 1 is still the most rational course of action, at least from a utilitarian perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantonym View Post
    I'd probably wait for someone else to kill the baby. It's disgusting, I know. I don't really see a way to win even if we end up alive and the baby dead, a part of all of us in there would be dead anyway. Life goes on but what kind of a life would it be anyway, knowing what happened.
    a slightly more traumatized life? a part of you wouldn't die unless you allowed it to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelchairdoug View Post
    a slightly more traumatized life? a part of you wouldn't die unless you allowed it to.
    I'd allow it, I'm not that heartless. Life would still go on anyway.

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    For situations like this I find Aquinas's principle of double effect helpful. It seeks to assess the morality of performing an act in pursuit of a good when full knowledge is present that the act will result in an evil consequence.

    There are four conditions that must be met:

    1 the action contemplated is in itself ethically good or ethically indifferent
    I think the analysis can stop right here. The action is the purposeful taking of innocent human life. It is murder. You can't do it.

    But, we'll continue anyway...

    2 the evil consequence is not directly intended.
    The way the question is framed by YWIR seems that the evil would be directly intended. Under other circumstances the baby may be accidentally suffocated while keeping it quiet without the intent of murder.

    3 the good result must not be a direct causal result of the evil result.
    In this case the saving of other lives would be a direct result of the murder.

    4 the good result must be “proportionate to” the evil result.
    In this instance the good would outweigh the bad.

    Notice that Aquinas is willing to balance consequences, but only after hard principles have been considered.

    If I don't have principles and things that I'm not willing to do under any circumstances then what makes me better than the nazis?
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