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    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    I would give it some hot sauce and then pop it in a cold shower
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    Or by neglect, assuming a sane case of manslaughter. No doubt. It is impossible to fault the baby.

    Essentially, this question has been asked and asked specifically of us infinite times and boils down to:

    "do you do something morally wrong or bad to prevent an inevitable outcome that is considerably worse than the results of the immoral action?"

    Probably everyone has some kind of tipping point. Do you kill a junkie to save the entire earth? Do you punch a child to save his life? Do you kill a doomed baby to save yourself and others?

    I'd say yes to all of them.
    It isn't just the doing, it is also the acceptance. From what I gather on this thread and others like it, many would condone the lesser evil, and many would act, but some that would condone it would not act, and some that would act would act only under certain circumstances. But that is the problem, when it does become your action to make, your evil to commit, the justification may become simpler or more difficult. Does the moral person act with thought or without thought? And is it acceptable to perform the act, the act of lesser evil, and maintain a clean conscience, or is there supposed to be a feeling of guilt for the lesser evil act as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    The first part about jurisdictional differences is a distraction since the bulk of the membership understand what manslaughter means. Then terminating a baby who might or might not give the hiding place away should also be a waste of human resources.
    A man carries a gold bar into a seemingly endless desert and finally drops it to continue his journey. Was that a waste of resources?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    Or by neglect, assuming a sane case of manslaughter. No doubt. It is impossible to fault the baby.

    Essentially, this question has been asked and asked specifically of us infinite times and boils down to:

    "do you do something morally wrong or bad to prevent an inevitable outcome that is considerably worse than the results of the immoral action?"

    Probably everyone has some kind of tipping point. Do you kill a convicted killer to save the entire earth? Do you punch a child to save his life? Do you kill a doomed baby to save yourself and others?

    I'd say yes to all of them.
    The bolded phrase is a subjective judgment. I consider killing an innocent baby worse than any possible outcome of it crying. As far as morality is concerned, if it came down to killing an adult, my response might be different depending on the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    A man carries a gold bar into a seemingly endless desert and finally drops it to continue his journey. Was that a waste of resources?
    The bolded word is important. No one can predict the future and all its possibilities.

    And anyways, the wasted resource argument was yours not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    The bolded phrase is a subjective judgment. I consider killing an innocent baby worse than any possible outcome of it crying. As far as morality is concerned, if it came down to killing an adult, my response might be different depending on the situation.
    Why would the sacrificial lamb being an adult make the decision any different? What about an adult that is unable to control their own actions, essentially taking on the exact role of the baby, but without the cuteness factor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    The bolded word is important. No one can predict the future and all its possibilities.

    And anyways, the wasted resource argument was yours not mine.
    It became yours the moment you suggested the baby was a resource and not a liability. A gamble, a choice, we make them all the time. The future is a product of all of these, and we do the best we can. Does that render the moral dilemma solved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Why would the sacrificial lamb being an adult make the decision any different? What about an adult that is unable to control their own actions, essentially taking on the exact role of the baby, but without the cuteness factor?
    You ignored my very important caveat of "my response might be different depending on the situation".

    Of the adults who are in control and have understanding, these I would kill if they refused to shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    It became yours the moment you suggested the baby was a resource and not a liability. A gamble, a choice, we make them all the time. The future is a product of all of these, and we do the best we can. Does that render the moral dilemma solved?
    That's not what happened. You own the human life = resource point and I just piggybacked off this assumption. Now if this assumption is incorrect, then the entire house of cards falls including and especially your waste of resource argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    The bolded phrase is a subjective judgment. I consider killing an innocent baby worse than any possible outcome of it crying. As far as morality is concerned, if it came down to killing an adult, my response might be different depending on the situation.
    Fine, considerably worse from an outside, bottom line and/or utilitarian view: to wit: kill the baby = dead baby, guilty conscience. Let it live= Baby still dies, probably in a more agonizing fashion, along with many other people, possibly including other children.

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