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  • I'd kill it/get someone else to kill it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Killing the baby means I might also have to kill the baby's mother or father. I'd probably do nothing.
    That is the real problem isn't it. What would be noisier, the child, or the grieving parents and outraged citizens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    What about self defense?
    That's not murder, is it?
    You lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    That's not murder, is it?
    Deliberately killing another person, for a specific reason, to gain something? Sounds like murder to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Deliberately killing another person, for a specific reason, to gain something? Sounds like murder to me
    Not as it's generally defined.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

    Killing in self-defense isn't malicious, unlike murder. It's not morally or legally the same, at all.


    If the child were actually acting to kill you, killing it would be self defense. But it's not; in this theoretical situation, your would be murderers are the nazis, not the baby. Killing them would be acceptable, killing the child would not.
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    To those who would refuse to kill the baby, suppose someone else in your group started to kill the baby instead... would you stop them? (might be overcomplicating things here, but I'm interested).

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Not as it's generally defined.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

    Killing in self-defense isn't malicious, unlike murder. It's not morally or legally the same, at all.

    Then how is killing the baby not self-defense? The act of killing the baby is not malicious, therefore it is not murder. We can safely say that the baby's actions are threatening your life. How can you see the baby as anything BUT a direct threat to your life, and to the lives of others. How is it different than any other act of self-defense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sciski View Post
    To those who would refuse to kill the baby, suppose someone else in your group started to kill the baby instead... would you stop them? (might be overcomplicating things here, but I'm interested).
    I probably wouldn't stop them, unless it was my baby or niece or nephew.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og7lUpWutyY"]killing Napoleon 1[/YOUTUBE]
    (starting 0:50)
    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9RUbJPBcgw&feature=related"]killing Napoleon 2[/YOUTUBE]
    (starting 2:50) He even mentions Aquinus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Then how is killing the baby not self-defense? The act of killing the baby is not malicious, therefore it is not murder. We can safely say that the baby's actions are threatening your life. How can you see the baby as anything BUT a direct threat to your life, and to the lives of others. How is it different than any other act of self-defense?
    The baby isn't acting to kill you, that's why. The nazi soldiers are.
    You lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    The baby isn't acting to kill you
    No, the baby doesn't realize that it is acting to kill you, but it is. The actions of the baby lead to your death, regardless of intention.

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