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    more like unexplored avenues that would be best suited for the individual but you were forced to drive past due to expectation and how you were raised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    more like unexplored avenues that would be best suited for the individual but you were forced to drive past due to expectation and how you were raised.
    That makes sense, sure yeah, because a lot of fucked up people are damaged because of the way they were raised or because of lack of opportunity. But if someone gives them therapy rather than prison, there's a strong possibility that person will become a healthy version of themselves.

    It's not that they become someone else, or just that they adapt to their surroundings either - I don't think that's quite right. Their feelings and ways of being inside change, they are released from self-hatred or anger or habit, so in order for real change to occur it's about changing those inner things, not just behaving differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Would you like a personal anecdote? I've tried being more SJ-like and it made me stressed out, unhappy, and fucking miserable.

    I believe this is what happens a lot of the time when people wake up one day and realize they've been living a lie, or have been trying to be what someone else wants them to be.

    It's when people are trying to imitate a personality that they simply are not, will never will be, and are just making themselves miserable by doing so.

    That would be the IMAGE of change, rather than real change.

    Real change involves overcoming unhealthy patterns of thinking and behaviors, not trying to make yourself be someone you're not.
    I would not like a personal anecdote. You are not representative of all human beings under the sun.

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    Someone needs to really narrow down and clarify what sort of change we're arguing here. I think change of all forms can happen though so that won't have any impact on my stance.
    With dreamers, pure and simple, the imagination remains a vaguely sketched inner affair. It is not embodied in any aesthetic or practical invention. Reverie is the equivalent of weak desires. Dreamers are the aboulics of the creative imagination.

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    Okay, Mystic Tater, that's fine, never said I was - which is why I've been speaking in more general terms for the rest of my posts.

    For someone who believes personality theory is such dogma, you're sure acting like an INFP rejecting inferior Te. Not unlike Victor.

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    can development be interrupted or delayed?

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    Your mom changed in my room last night!

    She changed into a ferocious cougar! RAWR

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    Yes, knight, I think so. But I think in some cases (though not all) the person can continue development later. It just then looks like it "took them longer to grow up" or some other such nonsense that people like to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    Your mom changed in my room last night!

    She changed into a ferocious cougar! RAWR
    the cougar was already a cougar, she just did`nt have the apron on any longer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Okay, Mystic Tater, that's fine, never said I was - which is why I've been speaking in more general terms for the rest of my posts.

    For someone who believes personality theory is such dogma, you're sure acting like an INFP rejecting inferior Te. Not unlike Victor.
    Anything can become dogma. Even rebellion.

    I never said all personality theory is dogma; however, there exists dogmatic personality theory.

    Victor's never written a straightforward post in his life. Even so, I'm not sure what that has to do with the issue.

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