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    maybe if they are an NF, yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Well, personality type doesn't change, the basic way of perceiving the world does not change, and by clicking on the previous thread on this topic I noticed that Edgar expressed himself more clearly there, and with that I agree...INFPs do not become ESTJs.

    But people can undergo what seem like miraculous changes in destructive behavior when they want to grow, given the right tools, support, and environment.
    Can you explain your position here? It seems like a couple of baseless statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    Can you explain your position here? It seems like a couple of baseless statements.
    Personality type does not change. Your default way of being, in the rawest sense - and I don't mean behaviors or attitudes or interests or methods of coping - does not change. An NFP trying to act like an STJ will become tired from the effort of doing so.

    But an unhealthy or emotionally imbalanced NFP can become a healthy NFP.

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    Some people try to change, but fail over the long term because they aren't ready for it. There is right brain therapy that can reverse programming done during early developmental time (before left brain development occurs). And that's for fucked up deeply ingrained patterned shit. All sorts of more superficial change, like becoming more proactive, happens all the time everywhere.

    I used to get my friend in kindergarten to ask the teacher if I could go to the bathroom I was so painfully shy. I would hide under tables when certain people came over. I am now the first person to start working a room at a networking event, and I always volunteer to speak first during presentations I'm a part of. I even ask dudez out and initiate kisses.

    You want to tell me people don't change? They do. All the fucking time buddy.


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    With dreamers, pure and simple, the imagination remains a vaguely sketched inner affair. It is not embodied in any aesthetic or practical invention. Reverie is the equivalent of weak desires. Dreamers are the aboulics of the creative imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Personality type does not change. Your default way of being, in the rawest sense - and I don't mean behaviors or attitudes or interests or methods of coping - does not change. An NFP trying to act like an STJ will become tired from the effort of doing so.

    But an unhealthy or emotionally imbalanced NFP can become a healthy NFP.
    You basically just reiterated your prior statements. Do you have any studies to support your claim, or is this just Typology dogma?

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    To the thread title..

    If people don't THEN I get worried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    You basically just reiterated your prior statements. Do you have any studies to support your claim, or is this just Typology dogma?
    Would you like a personal anecdote? I've tried being more SJ-like and it made me stressed out, unhappy, and fucking miserable.

    I believe this is what happens a lot of the time when people wake up one day and realize they've been living a lie, or have been trying to be what someone else wants them to be.

    It's when people are trying to imitate a personality that they simply are not, will never will be, and are just making themselves miserable by doing so.

    That would be the IMAGE of change, rather than real change.

    Real change involves overcoming unhealthy patterns of thinking and behaviors, not trying to make yourself be someone you're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Would you like a personal anecdote? I've tried being more SJ-like and it made me stressed out, unhappy, and fucking miserable.

    I believe this is what happens a lot of the time when people wake up one day and realize they've been living a lie, or have been trying to be what someone else wants them to be.

    It's when people are trying to imitate a personality that they simply are not, will never will be, and are just making themselves miserable by doing so.

    That would be the IMAGE of change, rather than real change.

    Real change involves overcoming unhealthy patterns of thinking and behaviors, not trying to make yourself be someone you're not.
    sounds like you just became who you are. not sure that is change more like growth

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    Growth is a form of change. For example, a violent alcoholic can change and become a sober, non-violent, reasonably happy member of society - but they have to want to change, and need to the correct tools and support to do so.

    This is what I mean by change.

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