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    Quote Originally Posted by antireconciler View Post
    Why did Jesus have to die?
    Well, the physical abuse his body took rendered it incapable of survival.

    If he hadn't passed already, that spear through the side would have finished him off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Well, the physical abuse his body took rendered it incapable of survival. If he hadn't passed already, that spear through the side would have finished him off.
    Thank God we finally have a medical doctor on the forums.
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    The Father is offended by us. So in order to forgive us, he tortured his Son to death.

    Child sacrifice was common in the society and many would have seen their siblings sacrificed by the very people on whom they depended for survival.

    So in order to survive, the siblings dissociated and repressed all the feelings about their sacrificed siblings. And so formed a paranoid personality.

    And being unable to deal with their feelings about their parents and child sacrifice, they projected their feelings outward in the new religion.

    And it is this religion that saved them from their feelings and gave hope and meaning to the horror of their lives.

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    Well it looks like that I will have to be the one who will pop the question.

    How do you people know he has even existed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Well it looks like that I will have to be the one who will pop the question. How do you people know he has even existed?
    Because he lives inside my heart, silly!



    ... and what's this with the "you people"?
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    Well, the real question is "Why does a loving God require a blood sacrifice for sin?"

    Good question. People who choose to worship this particular God also choose to live with this question, as I have done.

    The only alternative for the true believer is to become "...the kind of atheist who does not so much disbelieve in the Creator, but rather is offended by Him personally."

    I wish I could remember where that quote came from...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Well, the real question is "Why does a loving God require a blood sacrifice for sin?" Good question. People who choose to worship this particular God also choose to live with this question, as I have done.

    The only alternative for the true believer is to become "...the kind of atheist who does not so much disbelieve in the Creator, but rather is offended by Him personally." I wish I could remember where that quote came from...
    Hmmm. How do you define "true believer" again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post

    ... and what's this with the "you people"?

    Well I have translated one old saying from my language directly.

    So the entire sentence is grammatically incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Hmmm. How do you define "true believer" again?
    I mean the person who can't escape his own worldview, and whose worldview includes the traditional Judeo-Christian Creator God. If you really believe, you can decide you are going to follow this God and do so, or you can decide He's a bastard and He doesn't deserve your worship... but you really can't choose to disbelieve. Belief isn't a matter of volition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I mean the person who can't escape his own worldview, and whose worldview includes the traditional Judeo-Christian Creator God.
    Thanks, that helps clarify what your premises are.

    If you really believe, you can decide you are going to follow this God and do so, or you can decide He's a bastard and He doesn't deserve your worship... but you really can't choose to disbelieve. Belief isn't a matter of volition.
    Within the constraints of your premise, yes.
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