Sorry... I could not stay with it. When anything flys in the face of my experience, I quit listening. (well, unless its something new I haven't heard before and already tested) As soon as he said "God punishes" I quit. I, simply, have not found this to be true. I punish whenever I step out of His will for me. I find Him always trying to, lovingly, protect me from that.... as do most parents (creators) I might add. I may not always agree with nor want to do His will and have suffered the consequeces every time I've rebelled. When I come back to Him, He is always waiting with open arms. No... I'm not religious.. that's man's law.