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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Christianity fought the Enlightenment tooth and nail, and the Enlightenment succeeded in creating the world around us in spite of Christianity.

    We can see the washup of that conflict on Central where we have irridentist catholics speaking against the Enlightenment with some venom.

    We even have protestants speaking against the Enlightenment but mostly they are just ignorant of what happened in the 17th and 18th centuries.

    And so many don't even know how the Enlightenment created the world around us.

    What would you do without me to tell you?
    I think the theological debates of Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Origen, etc etc set the stage for the theistic rationalists like Newton and Kant who then began asking more abstract questions and then grew brave enough to throw off religious shackles and usher us into the modern age, though it wasn't really until after the existentialists that philosophy realized it was mostly dead and ceded it's boundaries to abstract mathematicians.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Only God can judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LevelZeroHero View Post
    Only God can judge.
    Then God is evil - he would, under your statement, dictate the entire spectrum of our self-worth and the whole course of our salvation; this is because we would not have a choice and which of course would lead to our stagnation as a developing species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LevelZeroHero View Post
    Only God can judge.
    I can judge too.

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    Only God can ultimately judge, humans can relatively judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chawie View Post
    Only God can ultimately judge, humans can relatively judge.
    C'mon, God kick started the three monotheistic religions, the three Abrahamic religions, by ordering Abraham to tie up his son, Isaac, and eviserate him, cut him up with a large knife, for the greater glory of the one God.

    And for centuries children were forced to write at the top of their school work, "AMDG", short for, "ad majorem Dei gloriam", meaning, "for the greater glory of God", in remembrance of God's order to Abraham to abuse and murder his son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    C'mon, God kick started the three monotheistic religions, the three Abrahamic religions, by ordering Abraham to tie up his son, Isaac, and eviserate him, cut him up with a large knife, for the greater glory of the one God.

    And for centuries children were forced to write at the top of their school work, "AMDG", short for, "ad majorem Dei gloriam", meaning for the greater glory of God, in remembrance of God's order to Abraham to abuse and murder his son.
    Your subjective judgement of God's perceived morality based on one misunderstood act of God really goes to show how little you understand the concepts. Relating children writing AMDG on their schoolwork to Abraham's actions is not a meaningful cause-effect relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chawie View Post
    Your subjective judgement of God's perceived morality based on one misunderstood act of God really goes to show how little you understand the concepts. Relating children writing AMDG on their schoolwork to Abraham's actions is not a meaningful cause-effect relationship.
    Please, AMDG is a slogan of the Jesuits who have just been forced to pay out 3.1 million dollars to the children they raped in the north east of the Americas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Please, AMDG is a slogan of the Jesuits who have just been forced to pay out 3.1 million dollars to the children they raped in the north east of the Americas.
    Citing "the children" does not add to your arguments, rather just makes you seem silly. I assume you are trolling me.

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    Why did Jesus have to die?
    You can't have a kansas city shuffle without a body.
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    A man builds. A parasite asks 'Where is my share?'
    A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?'
    A man invents. A parasite says, 'Watch out, or you might tread on the toes of God... '


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