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    Ok so it's official God has a beard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    one thing i dont understand people who believe in bible, many things in it has been proven wrong, but still people keep on believing in it.
    People still believe in astrology and MBTI, even though both are confidence tricks, but still people keep on believing and using them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Well as far as the Christian context is concerned, I would refer to the role that monks played in inter-sectarian violence in Alexandria during Late Antiquity for example. Now is this inherently part of the monastic existence? I wouldn't say so, unless we're talking about specific orders of warrior monks(Knights Templar, Knights of Malta, etc). The example of Alexandrian violence demonstrates the dangers of mixing monasticism with political endeavors.
    I was thinking about occidental monks, but I didn't know about this event. It still kind of proves my point though that any evils in religion have more to do with corrupt people in power than the religion itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I dont believe that Christianity is "ridiculous" and neither do I behave so dismissively about some of the greek or ancient metaphysical speculations, having read On The Gods by Cicero recently I was actually fairly impressed with some of their speculations and reasoning, though I dont believe the truth they do possess has parity with the beliefs I do profess myself. Its like mathematics, you can get close to the answer without being right and your working out will be useful but there's only one right answer.




    I can not believe that if Christianity where purely and simply a convention or habit that it would have endured at all, without wishing to appear condescending the view that it is merely convention and therefore a sort of arcane, nebulous, waste of time and cowardly vice is one I associate with youth and arrogance. I'm inclined to believe with Jung that spirituality is important but more so in the second half of life and failing to recognise this and somehow integrate it into your psychology results in mid-life crisis.
    You cannot get close to the answer without being in the right.
    A cat close to home finds the way home.
    There is no parity with answer and question.
    The question is field dependent.
    The answer is not.

    You cut the bread in two halves.
    Where do you cut it?
    In the middle.
    Cut halves are not in the middle.
    The cut is not the cutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post




    They do draw him with a beard don't they!? Why do they even draw him? Are they retarded!?
    It's called the Sixth Ecumenical Council.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I'm still not sure how having one's wife raped in broad daylight is a just, holy punishment, or why women are treated as "spoils of victory" in the Old Testament if God is so superior and loving and righteous. It all pretty much strikes me as men writing the Old Testament, then having more enlightened thoughts as they socially evolved in the New Testament.
    I already gave you the overall cultural background to this. Like it or not, the Israelites had to contend with the world as it was; namely with nations with gods who were more ruthless and bloodthirsty by nature than the God of the Old Testament. And as the Book of Ecclesiastes states, there's a time for everything under Heaven, including killing. But at the same time, God promises to Isaiah of a time this will no longer be necessary; when nations shall "beat swords into ploughsheds"(Isaiah 2:4), "the wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together"(Isaiah 11:6), and that "the fruit of righteousness will be peace"(Isaiah 32:17). So it's very important to get the full story. God's loving nature is the main theme of the Song of Songs, which allegorises the love between God and mankind as a love affair between a man and woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    It's called the Sixth Ecumenical Council.
    Actually it was the Seventh Ecumenical Council. My mistake.

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    Concerning the issue of slavery:

    "If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property. If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. If a man strikes the eye of his male or female slave, and destroys it, he shall let him go free on account of his eye. And if he knocks out a tooth of his male or female slave, he shall let him go free on account of his tooth."
    -Exodus 21:20-27

    "You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall live with you in your midst, in the place which he shall choose in one of your towns where it pleases him; you shall not mistreat him."
    -Deuteronomy 23:15


    A man shall be punished for killing a slave, and a slave shall be set free upon receiving grave injury. A man who strikes a woman with child shall also be punished as the circumstances demand. And an escaped slave shall not be returned to his master, and must not be mistreated in your care. This helps demonstrate the point I made earlier that while yes slavery exists, many of the brutal aspects of the instititution known at this time have been tamed by Biblical law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    You cannot get close to the answer without being in the right.
    A cat close to home finds the way home.
    There is no parity with answer and question.
    The question is field dependent.
    The answer is not.

    You cut the bread in two halves.
    Where do you cut it?
    In the middle.
    Cut halves are not in the middle.
    The cut is not the cutter.
    Totally Victor.

    Or someone working up to blaming a meltdown on some personal issues.

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    He's definitely not Victor (uber math skillz, for one..which would trickle down to uber reasoning skillz probably.. which would indicate he isn't Victor). Whenever I read wildcat's posts, I picture Mordin from Mass Effect. Although I'm sure he's easier on the eyes.


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