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    Why are the ones who "Found God" after not believing for most of their lives usually the most vocal and the most adamant about how everyone is wrong for not believing?

    I don't mind religious people, but when they get like this it reminds me that religion just isn't for everyone and some people take it way to far.

    I could honestly say that if any of my friends started acting like this, I wouldn't go near them again.
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    HEY! about my Dad. Yes certainly, he was not good to me.

    But whatever background we Christians come from, we can still speak in tongues. By right, all of us who've accepted Jesus can. And there are sooo many of us. Perhaps you have met Christians, but you've never asked them about speaking in tongues. Try asking one of your Christian friends about you, I'm sure you must know one somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungrypossum View Post
    I'm not ignoring any points!!!! I'm being bombarded, this is my 70th post on this thread! I've been answering and answering!!! *gasps for air* I'm trying to answer all the questions!! ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGg
    Well these are the points I would like you to consider when you have time. And by consider, I don't mean go off on a completely unrelated story. I would like the respect of having my points taken seriously.

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    Ender, I'm not deliberately hitting out at anyone! But I am 100% sure of my God's existence. And of course I'd stick to my point and not waver if I truly believe.

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    Alright Kiddo. Just give me a while.

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    Kiddo:

    Point 1: I answered it above when I talked about heaven in post 302.

    Point 2: Huh? Why am I judging? Judging means, for e.g, and this is just an example: you have been on your computer all day. I walk up to you and go: i can see you're an internet addict and you must be on the computer all the time because you're addicted to pornography! That's judgement. Assuming what someone else is and condemning. The examples I brought up are actually from the bible, but I didn't state which bible verse and I was paraphrasing.

    Point 3: I answered your point 3 too previously!!! It's way back in the posts. I said something to the extent that I agree with you its not like homosexuals can love anymore than heterosexuals. We must be careful we're not doing it cause of lust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungrypossum View Post
    See! This is so ironic! Prove there's a God! Well, God can prove he's there anytime, but if you received a touch from him right now you would freak out cos you would think yourself psycho! That's really sad huh? God wouldn't wanna freak you out.

    Prove there's a God! And let's say you see a miracle happen. Then you look and examine, and you go: hmm can't be. Must be psychosis.

    The thing is, if there really is a God like I said, he can do anything... right? But when he does contact us, alot of people run away in fear!

    I think it was you Merkw, who said a few posts before you can accept that God speaks to men in this day and age. What if he chose to speak to you? Would you go to a psychologist thinking you've gone mad?

    You know guys, I really am genuinely surprised that you know no Christian about you that speaks in tongues! I grew up in Asia, and at 14 I had some Christian friends (casual friends) and then when they chatted and stuff I found out about this speaking in tongues bit. I was like: oh so you can do this thing you say? And they were like: yup. Talk to a Christian, maybe they don't speak in tongues but I'm sure some people in their church do. Some have the gift but don't practice it at all.
    I must say, there is little coherency within this whole post. But regarding the words I have highlighted in bold letters: I know many Christians. After all, Christians encompass a plurality of the world's population. I must ask you a question: are you an evangelical protestant? Because I am quite sure that most moderate or conservative Christians (Anglican, Lutheran, Calvinist, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox churches) do NOT participate in glossolalia.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Why are the ones who "Found God" after not believing for most of their lives usually the most vocal and the most adamant about how everyone is wrong for not believing?

    I don't mind religious people, but when they get like this it reminds me that religion just isn't for everyone and some people take it way to far.

    I could honestly say that if any of my friends started acting like this, I wouldn't go near them again.
    I hypothesize the reason for this is psychological disturbance and compensation. I.e. the "born-again Christians" are the one's with the most psychological insecurities and/or problems, and thus compensate by being particularly vocal about their beliefs, which act as a force that subdues the inner disturbances.

    Quote Originally Posted by hungrypossum View Post
    But whatever background we Christians come from, we can still speak in tongues. By right, all of us who've accepted Jesus can. And there are sooo many of us. Perhaps you have met Christians, but you've never asked them about speaking in tongues. Try asking one of your Christian friends about you, I'm sure you must know one somehow.
    I disagree. Not a single Christian I have met speak in tongues. If I am not correct, in these days, as previously mentioned, this is an exclusively evangelical practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungrypossum View Post
    But I am 100% sure of my God's existence. And of course I'd stick to my point and not waver if I truly believe.
    This is unbelievably presumptuous and narrow-minded. I am near unable to articulate my immediate response to this. How on earth can you be so rigid? How can you possibly be so sure about ANYTHING? Do you no nothing of Cartesian doubt, nihilism, or solipsism?
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    It seems that you are not complying with my request to explain your belief in a deity in terms of pure reason. In that case, I have a more ethically-related question for you:

    If God is so loving and omnipotent, then why does he allow so much suffering in the world? Why Darfur? Why AIDS in Africa? Why the Iraqi war? Why 9/11? Why disease, war, and poverty in general?
    What is your explanation for why your God let so many of my relatives die in World War II? Could you please answer that question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungrypossum View Post
    Kiddo:
    Point 1: I answered it above when I talked about heaven in post 302.
    You didn't answer it. All you did was say, "You don't believe in the Bible and I do." I already knew that. I want to know why you contradict yourself by saying that we can't understand God but the Bible contains absolute truths about what God represents.

    Point 2: Huh? Why am I judging? Judging means, for e.g, and this is just an example: you have been on your computer all day. I walk up to you and go: i can see you're an internet addict and you must be on the computer all the time because you're addicted to pornography! That's judgement. Assuming what someone else is and condemning. The examples I brought up are actually from the bible, but I didn't state which bible verse and I was paraphrasing.
    Christianity is about values of forgiveness, such as not judging others for their sins. You know, that whole "Judge not ye be Judged" and "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." And yet we have Christians who judge others for their sins. Of course, they often justify it by saying something like, "Oh, the Bible says it is a sin, therefore I can tell people who practice that sin that they aren't living as God intended." But really, they are just giving into their own judgement. They are bad Christians because they claim to uphold the values of Christianity, but they don't practice them.

    Point 3: I answered your point 3 too previously!!! It's way back in the posts. I said something to the extent that I agree with you its not like homosexuals can love anymore than heterosexuals. We must be careful we're not doing it cause of lust.
    So you are saying that homosexuality out of love is ok?
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