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    If he's God, he created himself of course! It says that the nature and essence of God is the emotion we feel of "love" itself. Love in itself, the truest form, with no fear attached to it. He's always giving. So God = a supernatural giving force we cannot understand. Hate = destructive force. Love = creates.

    The problem is, for all those great "miracles", there are a lot of people who've been prayed for, and have prayed themselves, where nothing happened. Maybe god works in mysterious ways....or maybe some people just get lucky, and others aren't so. I vote for the s*** happens explanation.
    Oh i tell you, this guy was born without a sense of smell! He always had to asked others if he smelled. Then after church prayer he was like IM HEALED!!!! all his homies, i included, were stunned. WHAT???? even though we'd seen it before, but this time to a friend near us. and you wonder why people in church are always jumping about as if they had no pride.

    About morality: the problem is that as humans we think we're moral if we don't rape, kill, steal etc. but once we understand everything we do changes history. even a small thing, like deciding to go out or stay in at home, can change things drastically. (i.e, being morbid, i walk out the door and get hit by a bus and die) and so, deciding to say something hateful to someone, or not, changes things. I think, if you ever come to realize that we can make so much change just by the way we choose to live our life...

    earlier in this thread I mentioned we dont realize even things like insulting another, putting someone down, calling them stupid, can create disasters. i wrote this article (i was an intern with The New Paper Singapore): an interview I had with a father whose daughter committed suicide due to bullying in school.
    DRIVEN TO DEATH - SEPT 26, 2005

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    I think that the argument that STs can't beleive in some sort of diety is absolute shit I've realized through experience alone that there's something out there that's more important than me Not necissarily the Christian God or anything though

    I'll admit that I've had some sort of odd come up with your religion based on personal experiences approach- which leads me to have a strong beleif in karma and luck and some pretty strong superstitions But it makes complete and total sense to me! And I think that's pretty much what the idea of God is about- making a person feel at peace with thier world and understand it better- whatever this God thing is seems to be rather universal, in that it's good and such, and I personally don't see what the big deal is as to HOW a person beleives in thier God/dess

    I guess to sum it up best I'll give a quote from Dogma!

    "His only real beef with mankind is the shit that gets carried out in His name. Wars. Bigotry. Televangelism. The big one though, is the factioning of the religions. He said, 'Mankind got it all wrong by takin' a good idea and building a belief structure out of it.' "
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    The problem is, for all those great "miracles", there are a lot of people who've been prayed for, and have prayed themselves, where nothing happened. Maybe god works in mysterious ways....or maybe some people just get lucky, and others aren't so. I vote for the s*** happens explanation.
    Yea Jaime said he tried to get prayed for 3 times! On the third time all he could think about was faith, and then it happened. The people praying as I said are pastors who pray 24/7, they got someee relationship with God man. They literally shine the light. I can almost feel static from them.

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    Oh i tell you, this guy was born without a sense of smell! He always had to asked others if he smelled. Then after church prayer he was like IM HEALED!!!! all his homies, i included, were stunned. WHAT???? even though we'd seen it before, but this time to a friend near us. and you wonder why people in church are always jumping about as if they had no pride.
    That's nice, however...I've seen it work the other way as well. My friends father (who is religous), was working out in the yard one day, when all of a sudden, he collapsed, and when he woke up, he was paralyzed from the waist down. He can sort of walk with a cane now, but he has a long way to go. The odd part is that there was no real cause for it (such as a stroke or the like).

    About morality: the problem is that as humans we think we're moral if we don't rape, kill, steal etc. but once we understand everything we do changes history.even a small thing, like deciding to go out or stay in at home, can change things drastically. (i.e, being morbid, i walk out the door and get hit by a bus and die) and so, deciding to say something hateful to someone, or not, changes things. I think, if you ever come to realize that we can make so much change just by the way we choose to live our life...
    That's true, but that's not exactly what I was talking about. Some examples of what I meant:

    -Why is it wrong to have sex with someone you aren't in love with? If you aren't in love with them, it's just physical enjoyment, not much different from the other activities you enjoy. (Assuming both parties are on the same page here, not the guy saying that he loves her and ignoring her the next day).

    -Why is it wrong to use drugs? If I want to alter my mindset temporarily, how is that a problem? (Ex: Marijuana). If I want to use something addictive that could possibly kill me, it is dumb, but why is it immoral? (Ex: Cocaine).

    On another note, in my opinion, it is quite possible for someone to lead an "immoral" life, and yet have a positive effect on the world.

    earlier in this thread I mentioned we dont realize even things like insulting another, putting someone down, calling them stupid, can create disasters.
    I agree, although I wasn't referring to any of those things.


    To get back on topic, here's a statement from Epicurus which I find to represent some of my thoughts well.

    “Is God both willing and able to prevent evil? Whence, then, comes evil?
    Is he willing but unable to prevent evil? Then he is feeble.
    Is he able but unwilling to prevent evil? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he neither able nor willing to prevent evil? Then why call him “God”?”
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    -Why is it wrong to have sex with someone you aren't in love with? If you aren't in love with them, it's just physical enjoyment, not much different from the other activities you enjoy. (Assuming both parties are on the same page here, not the guy saying that he loves her and ignoring her the next day).
    My half sister was born from such an experience. Let's not talk about the nights she cried because she saw the unequal treatment my father gave her compared to me. I was 6 when this happened: she was sick, but my father said he was too busy to drive her to the doctor. My mother has spent years in tears over the fact my father can never love my half sister. This was why, when I told my father I had become a Christian last year, (he disapproves of it) he said "its possible to love air when you say you love God," I said "how? You find it hard enough to even love a human being". This happened till she got married and moved out. Till today they do not even TALK during family reunions. My father ignores her.

    -Why is it wrong to use drugs? If I want to alter my mindset temporarily, how is that a problem? (Ex: Marijuana). If I want to use something addictive that could possibly kill me, it is dumb, but why is it immoral? (Ex: Cocaine).
    I have explained SOOO many times in this thread that everything God says in the bible is to protect us. For instance, God ordered Adam to make himself a garment of animal skin after he saw that he was naked, cos Adam was using leaves to cover himself and his wife! Back then, Adam wasn't smart enough to see the logic behind it. Till today, we cannot see the logic behind the things we do cause we enjoy doing it. Jesus didn't say we couldnt drink, he turned water into wine and this wine was used to celebrate at a wedding banquet.

    The bible says do not abuse the body given to you. I cannot find a bible verse that says Thou must not do drugs.

    About sex: here is the verse for you.

    "Drink water from your own cistern, running water from your own well. Should your springs overflow in the streets, your streams of water in public squares? Let them be yours alone, never to be shared with strangers. May your fountain be blessed, and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth. A loving doe, a graceful deer - may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love."

    If you love that person and want to have sex with them, what God says is that get married first and stick with that one person. We cannot see our future, but if you do believe the bible, you'll believe that his advice is good. God made sex pleasurable to us as a gift, but he wants us to honour and respect ourselves and others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungrypossum View Post
    The bible says do not abuse the body given to you.
    What's the bible's opinion on fast food? Judging by that "do not abuseth thy body" thing, God must really hate North America -- it's got to be one big melting pot of sin thanks to fast food and the fact that people seem to think that ordering a diet soda will be a healthy counter to all the Big Macs they're about to eat.

    I'm all for fast food, though, I'm just saying.

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    I like this. Dogma was a decent movie.

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    There's no bible verse about overeating, but King Solomon wrote: "Blessed are you, O land, when your king is the son of nobles, and your princes feast at the proper time—for strength and not for drunkenness!" Ecclesiastes 10:17

    its easy to misunderstand that God looks at our outward appearance. Well, if he didnt like the way we looked he wouldnt have made us look that way. He doesnt consider one human more beautiful than the other. If you're good looking, cool, praise God. Other humans may be attracted to us more, but to God we're all the same. Our physical bodies are temporary, kind of like tents. The hymn goes "Jesus, lover of my soul", not Jesus, lover of my looks.

    Everything we do has cause and effect. If I do not clean my room, it will become really dusty and gross. If I decide not to bathe, I will be smelly and unclean. If I eat too much, I could become fat. Even if I don't become fat, it's bad for my health.

    Wanting too much of something can be defined as lust: "to have a yearning or desire; have a strong or excessive craving". The problem is that when we have little self control over something seemingly harmless like food, it can result to little self control over other things too, especially bigger physical cravings.

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    I don't get why we'd have to go with the Bible though- basic natural consequences prove that immoderation is a bad idea

    cause---> effect

    basic principle of just about anything- not just Christianity
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    yes there is cause and effect to everything. to Everything. so when we sin there is effect too. seen or unseen by us. ^_^

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    but why are you calling it sin? isn't God a concept above just the Christian God? I realize that immoderation is a bad idea, but I am not a Christian
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