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    So its:

    Unbelievers: theory about Big Bang, still fuzzy. Many theories. Not sure. Still trying to work out what life is.

    Believers: have the bible, also fuzzy. believe in God because (1) touched/experienced God (to varying degrees) (2) believe and are convicted to believe because of 'faith' (are attracted to the bible's message of love)

    If God wanted us to make the bible alot clearer with logical explanations for everything, he could have I'm sure. But then everyone would have no reason not to believe and there wouldn't be the right motive to want to know God anymore. The bible states that if we came to him even though we didn't see him or touch him, our motives are greater and better than those who had to touch him to believe.

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    i like how you just implied that I'm an unbeliever... I'm catholic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by unsung truth View Post
    As for the the universe membranes colliding... I haven't heard about that, but seems interesting. Still doesn't disprove God, might prove it even more so considering the membranes had to be established somehow. All we understand seems to be within the realm of physics, now that begs the question: what created physics?
    I have a question for you:

    We are posed with two options as to how the universe came about--option a and option b. Option a proposes that the universe was created my a superior being, or deity. Option b proposes that the universe was not created by such. Which is more likely--an omnipotent being creates the universe, defying the laws of physics (among other things), or that all that exists has forever existed, and will continue to exist for an infinite duration?

    Disclaimer: I am not voicing my spiritual beliefs in this argument. I will remain detached and play devil's advocate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungrypossum View Post
    So its:

    Unbelievers: theory about Big Bang, still fuzzy. Many theories. Not sure. Still trying to work out what life is.

    Believers: have the bible, also fuzzy. believe in God because (1) touched/experienced God (to varying degrees) (2) believe and are convicted to believe because of 'faith' (are attracted to the bible's message of love)

    If God wanted us to make the bible alot clearer with logical explanations for everything, he could have I'm sure. But then everyone would have no reason not to believe and there wouldn't be the right motive to want to know God anymore. The bible states that if we came to him even though we didn't see him or touch him, our motives are greater and better than those who had to touch him to believe.
    Human interpretation of sensory data is flawed. Sensory data itself can be flawed. It can not always be a reliable source (i.e. pure reason > empiricism/experiential data) If you have, in fact, actually have had divine sensory experiences, then I would recommend that you visit a neurologist.

    So tell me, what are some logical reasons for belief in a deity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by unsung truth View Post
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    Sorry, recognizing the flaw of my previous question (since, yes, there are several reasons I could think of for the mere belief in a deity), let me rephrase:

    What are some logical reasons you are able to provide for existence of God?
    "The mathematician's patterns, like the painter's or the poet's must be beautiful; the ideas like the colours or the words, must fit together in a harmonious way. Beauty is the first test: there is no permanent place in the world for ugly mathematics..." - G.H. Hardy

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    i implied what? you were nowhere on my mind when i wrote that post

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    What are some logical reasons you are able to provide for existence of God?
    Oh me? I speak in tongues ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungrypossum View Post
    Oh me? I speak in tongues ^^
    That was completely useless. You provided me with no logical argument.
    "The mathematician's patterns, like the painter's or the poet's must be beautiful; the ideas like the colours or the words, must fit together in a harmonious way. Beauty is the first test: there is no permanent place in the world for ugly mathematics..." - G.H. Hardy

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    the logical argument is that i can do something supernatural ^^

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